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and good evening from Philadelphia Frank

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here with yet another episode of UFO

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news network Sunday tonight on a Tuesday

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we're ready to go we've got a fantastic

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show let's not keep our guests waiting

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much longer they've been in the news

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quite a bit over the last year regarding

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the UFO subject matter so let's get the

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details from co-hosts chant Hannah you

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don't yet I'm doing great we have a very

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special show tonight our show is it's

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gonna be fascinating actually this show

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is going to go over how Thomas Reid's

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UFO incident is making us history it's a

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really unusual situation going on

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nationwide and actually worldwide I

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wanted to actually give a little bit of

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background regarding Thomas Reid's very

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special person he's the original owner

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of the international model and artist

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group Miami models and Peregrine

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entertainment founded in 94 and also in

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early life from 1960 through 1962

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Reid lived in the home of William

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Roosevelt the grandson of President

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President Roosevelt in Cherry Hills

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Colorado his mother and grandmother were

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employed by the Roosevelt's with

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residents on the property his father dr.

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Howard Reid an attorney and Connecticut

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politician first his first break was in

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1981 while working at stage and lighting

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a coordinator for fashion runway in

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Hartford Connecticut soon thereafter he

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accepted the position I'm sorry I didn't

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hear that what was that I'm sorry yep

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yeah there's a little bit of break there

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sorry about that his first break came in

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1981 while working a stage and lighting

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coordinator for fashion runway in her

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accepted the position of stage manager

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and photographer for club getaway where

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his work was noticed by danielle gallo

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and editor for penthouse gallo invited

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Reid to Omni penthouse in 86 and he was

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introduced into slide film in studio

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he married and found opportunities in

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cards for renowned agencies and reads

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years in the fashion industry showcased

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his talent winning the Miami newcomer

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first place in South Florida's image

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competitions in 94 Miami models was born

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and by 1999 the model management firm

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was renowned for European print fashion

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and runway read has been a subject of

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over a dozen Doc you Mary and/or feature

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films with numerous guest appearances as

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himself Reid was also an associate

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producer for the syndicated television

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series today's help with tennis pro

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Chris Evert as his agency provided

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talent for 5-star productions and that

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is the IMDB bio that I'm reading

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directly from their website regarding

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our wonderful guest today Thomas Reid

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I'd also like to read the bio of Judge

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he's a fascinating person and he is

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integral to this story indeed

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instrumental to it Judge Kevin Titus is

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renowned historian who specializes in US

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history he is a TV personality of the

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ancient aliens TV show he will be in the

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recently filmed movie inducted with Tom

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Reid he has published two books

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regarding US history

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he's a Connecticut justice of the Tom

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instrumental role regarding this

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historic UFO related case he is the

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first individual in history regarding

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any UFO related case she specifically

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declared the Tom Reid case documents to

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be filed and categorized as authentic

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and historically significant in US

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Kevin was a young child at the time of

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the Tom Reid UFO incident and has his

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own connection to this event

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additionally the papers signed and

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sealed by Judge Kevin Titus on the Tom

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in Roswell New Mexico Kevin is also a

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speaker and portrayer of historical US

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betrayals of their roles in history

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where he is known as a 1990s air bull

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rider at Texas rodeos he loves riding

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horses motorcycles riding in a research

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history welcome both of you to our show

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tonight thank you so much for being on

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with us Thomas and often thank you thank

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you guys Tom we can now we can skip all

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the UFO stuff and talk about working for

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Penn house but I was trained by them not

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just you know since you did touch on

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that I wasn't surprised he did I

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actually turned down a job to work for

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them is this crazy as that sounded but I

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would have had to take a train in you

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know every day and that sort of thing

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and I just thought it was going to be

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too much and believe it or not I rather

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shoot what I want to shoot than just a

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bunch of naked women and and follow you

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know it's spotless you know a lot of

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you kidding me I'm like no I'd rather

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I'd rather be creative if that makes

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unfortunately I'm sorry for our

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listeners it's not about penthouse let's

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leave listening to Tom tell that side of

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the story we really have to give these

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erotic photographers a lot more credit

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because it sounds like it's incredibly

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boring in the sacrifice they must make

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day after day hey so just just a one

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more thing one of the one of the my

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bigger accomplishments early on was that

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packaging campaign for loves diapers so

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when you want to buy love's diapers

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were my talent I actually that was my

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gig that was my job so you can't mix

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children and penthouses it just I know

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everybody wants to find out more about

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penthouses and possibly be abducted by

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one of those ladies and it's just not

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elaborate more on that anyway I wanted

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to actually ask Tom a question could you

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please elaborate on two topics and that

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is the Tom Reid UFO Park and the

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monument the Historical Society

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including any other memorial related

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sites or plaques regarding your story

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all right well I can I'd like to start

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by um I guess telling you kind of how

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the how this all came about really early

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so that diner that we owned was really

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what launched all this and the fact that

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my family owned it because back in the

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day everybody would eat breakfast there

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and then ride their little banana seat

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those kids today that not Kevin

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going very public with this thing

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they're the ones that were in that diner

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when all this took place and everyone

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was talking about it and their relatives

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saw it and they were saw it because the

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day it happened was actually Labor Day

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would take their kids just to the diner

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rather than have them wait out in the

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cold and you know and have to walk you

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know 200 yards for the school bus and so

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would that said the a were out having

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barbecues on Labor Day because it was a

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family thing you know well they're these

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kids saw this with their relatives would

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their sisters would their brothers with

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family with friends were neighbors so it

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was groups of people that saw this that

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day and so what that said that's why our

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diner became so the center of this

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who was an attorney and people call him

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selectmen in office for eight years and

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professor and a historian himself so

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when he was approached by Robert Bloch

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man who was another attorney in

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Manchester Connecticut with the interest

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in our diners story and my and what

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happened there because my father being a

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political figure and a pillar during the

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community he wanted to reference my

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father's you know interest in this and

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involvement in this in support of the

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to be discussed with mohammad Robin in

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support of 33 for 26 and it was 14 years

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14 years later my father lost his life

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on that same date so our family was

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approached by Fox News and then flown to

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Toronto and all these people were like

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did your father know something can I see

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the documents he had so there was this

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interest in was his death connected to

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this so shortly after that really I got

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a call from a historian in Massachusetts

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and they showed interest in holding a

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memorial for my father in support of

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this topic because our diner and my

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father's involvement and I lost my

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father at 54 years old which was

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suspicious he did die under questionable

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circumstances I'll say that and so did a

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doctor and Blackmun passed not two looks

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longer after my father about eleven

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months later so there was a lot of

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interest in in that part of it and tried

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to memorialize something in the respect

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for my father so this story has decided

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to hold an event they actually weren't

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going to invite Stanton Friedman I think

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Kathleen Martin was also mentioned at

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this meeting and then two weeks later I

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get this call saying you know what we

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just decided to put it to a census to

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see if there was enough here to you know

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show that this actually happened and

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your father was right and all these kids

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today that saw this thing in the back of

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the day they were calling Historical

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Society given who signed statements

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given notarized this notarized that and

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so they were flooded and

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I was asked to take a polygraph test and

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I did and I passed it and then the radio

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station got on board were the ones who

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broadcast it and so they said you know

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what let's put it to a vote and oddly

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enough as I was floored actually I had

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no idea this was gonna pass and bang

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next thing I know we now have formally

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and officially inducted this case in the

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history there is too much here to say it

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didn't happen so they sent all the

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records the polygraph the archives with

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everything they had to the Massachusetts

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they said we don't have anybody here who

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specializes in this topic if we were

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talking about Paul Revere or the Boston

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Tea Party we could you know rebuttal

275
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some of this but there's too much here

276
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we're not gonna say it didn't happen

277
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they passed it on to the governor his

278
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office and sure enough Charles D Baker

279
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said well if it's gotten this far I got

280
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no reason to say it didn't happen and he

281
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signed it next thing I know we make UFO

282
00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:00,660
history just to jump in really quick Tom

283
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how many total witnesses were there and

284
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how many of them were able to put

285
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together a statement for the this

286
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process you know that's a good question

287
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because there was a lot more that

288
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they'll that they wouldn't allow they

289
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were very adamant on if you could not

290
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specifically say it happened on this day

291
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they weren't interested so they were

292
00:13:26,390 --> 00:13:24,600
over 250 witnesses I believe from

293
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several towns because you could follow

294
00:13:29,930 --> 00:13:27,690
the flight of this thing just like the

295
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Phoenix lights so there were about 250

296
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people that want to give testimony and

297
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statements and I think that was on

298
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ancient aliens - and I think heaven

299
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knows more about that than I do because

300
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he researched this part of it but the

301
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Historical Society said nope we are

302
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interested on September 1st 1969 if you

303
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cannot swear happen on that day we

304
00:13:49,370 --> 00:13:47,340
cannot accept your testimony and I

305
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thought that was really unfair because

306
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we're talking we're going back a long

307
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way sure it was a holiday weekend sure

308
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you know there was archives to back it

309
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up and ever people heard it on the radio

310
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and that kind of thing but people were

311
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like look I remember I was a kid I hung

312
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out in diner I was around that time well

313
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if you can't specifically say it was for

314
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September first we can't accept it I

315
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don't know anybody that can recall

316
00:14:17,510 --> 00:14:14,280
September 1st 1969 what they were doing

317
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on that day yeah but a lot of people

318
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actually were with groups of people and

319
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family

320
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because it happened they remembered it

321
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because they were eating in a diner the

322
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following day when it came over the

323
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radio and they wanted witnesses to go

324
00:14:31,500 --> 00:14:29,110
back and call Tom J who was a disc

325
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jockey at the local radio station and he

326
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was also a ham operator so a lot of

327
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people had contacted him on ham radio so

328
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those are the ones that were locked in

329
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those are the ones today that have

330
00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:40,899
stepped forward never wavered stuck to

331
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their guns and said damn it all we were

332
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there we know what happened and Kevin

333
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Titus is kind of one of those people did

334
00:14:53,310 --> 00:14:50,080
more I know that about 250 people are

335
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slightly more saw this object which

336
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we're gonna go into later in the show

337
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but have you had more people come

338
00:15:04,019 --> 00:15:02,050
forward a since then oh yeah

339
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matter of fact I've had two more people

340
00:15:10,769 --> 00:15:07,330
this week who not only remember it and

341
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and actually one girl I talked to her

342
00:15:14,910 --> 00:15:12,880
sister has news clippings from back then

343
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so I can't wait to get those she's

344
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actually in Sheffield she's been

345
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collecting this stuff forever and the

346
00:15:23,070 --> 00:15:19,720
only reason I was able to connect with

347
00:15:25,670 --> 00:15:23,080
her was that her sister Karen owns

348
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Gingras lawn and garden and they just

349
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donated the 8 tons of rock you know

350
00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:31,390
direct decorative stone for the park and

351
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they're sponsoring a bench and I was

352
00:15:37,949 --> 00:15:35,620
like why the outpour she was my sister's

353
00:15:40,290 --> 00:15:37,959
been collecting this info since the 70s

354
00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:40,300
I'm like oh my god it's fantastic so so

355
00:15:44,010 --> 00:15:41,770
that's interesting and of course we got

356
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another sponsor today grant Scott ayat

357
00:15:49,650 --> 00:15:47,920
of of that was today too was in New

358
00:15:51,540 --> 00:15:49,660
Hampshire so there's more and more

359
00:15:54,389 --> 00:15:51,550
people coming on board now that I think

360
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has become or welcomed it's it's

361
00:15:57,569 --> 00:15:55,899
embraced more it's become it's bringing

362
00:15:59,670 --> 00:15:57,579
people together oddly enough and I

363
00:16:01,769 --> 00:15:59,680
wanted that to happen anyway but I

364
00:16:04,319 --> 00:16:01,779
didn't realize the outpour you know I

365
00:16:06,420 --> 00:16:04,329
think people just needed a spot to say

366
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you know what this is at the exact

367
00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:08,170
location somebody in our family

368
00:16:12,900 --> 00:16:10,690
remembers that we no friends remember if

369
00:16:15,150 --> 00:16:12,910
we didn't see it ourselves and it's

370
00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:15,160
becoming a lot it's becoming very

371
00:16:19,170 --> 00:16:17,170
popular it's a become a gathering spot

372
00:16:21,900 --> 00:16:19,180
it's becoming so busy we had to add

373
00:16:26,490 --> 00:16:21,910
three more benches so I mean I remember

374
00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:26,500
Jan Green was made of specific yeah wait

375
00:16:30,930 --> 00:16:28,450
eyewitness account which is so

376
00:16:33,180 --> 00:16:30,940
believable I mean the woman's 84 and one

377
00:16:34,079 --> 00:16:33,190
of her famous sayings was she doesn't

378
00:16:36,030 --> 00:16:34,089
care if she has

379
00:16:39,749 --> 00:16:36,040
timer she's over to the day she died

380
00:16:42,929 --> 00:16:39,759
yeah yeah that's interesting - there was

381
00:16:43,650 --> 00:16:42,939
okay so when this happened back in on

382
00:16:46,889 --> 00:16:43,660
September

383
00:16:49,290 --> 00:16:46,899
you know first 1969 the radio station

384
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was actually off the air theoretically

385
00:16:52,889 --> 00:16:51,220
they played music but the DJ's were home

386
00:16:55,199 --> 00:16:52,899
you know everything was just loop back

387
00:16:57,389 --> 00:16:55,209
then and uh you know and so when people

388
00:16:58,650 --> 00:16:57,399
were making calls to the PD and and and

389
00:17:00,360 --> 00:16:58,660
you know the Sheffield Police to farm to

390
00:17:01,559 --> 00:17:00,370
the I think they called the air force

391
00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:01,569
base right come and I think they did

392
00:17:06,149 --> 00:17:03,850
that to the National Guard office and

393
00:17:07,380 --> 00:17:06,159
then they called the radius radio WSB s

394
00:17:10,350 --> 00:17:07,390
and they called the Great Barrington

395
00:17:11,850 --> 00:17:10,360
police - people just called everyone

396
00:17:13,590 --> 00:17:11,860
they thought we you know would answer

397
00:17:15,510 --> 00:17:13,600
the phone I guess at this point because

398
00:17:17,819 --> 00:17:15,520
it was seen by so many freaking people

399
00:17:20,159 --> 00:17:17,829
within a 12 mile range and we're talking

400
00:17:22,260 --> 00:17:20,169
about over 250 according to accounts

401
00:17:23,699 --> 00:17:22,270
that I've researched and you know none

402
00:17:24,990 --> 00:17:23,709
of those people know each other and so

403
00:17:26,250 --> 00:17:25,000
nobody could possibly have made

404
00:17:28,830 --> 00:17:26,260
something up like that something

405
00:17:30,510 --> 00:17:28,840
happened that day and it it parent that

406
00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:30,520
people are in panic over from what we

407
00:17:34,289 --> 00:17:32,250
understand what we see from the records

408
00:17:37,139 --> 00:17:34,299
yeah they were was I think it was

409
00:17:38,250 --> 00:17:37,149
Pittsfield Stockbridge Li Lennox Otis

410
00:17:40,409 --> 00:17:38,260
Canaan Connecticut

411
00:17:41,730 --> 00:17:40,419
maybe Litchfield Connecticut Sheffield

412
00:17:44,820 --> 00:17:41,740
Massachusetts New Marlborough

413
00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:44,830
Massachusetts there was a ski resort up

414
00:17:48,810 --> 00:17:46,570
there and I can't think of the name of

415
00:17:50,250 --> 00:17:48,820
place for Egremont North Egremont and so

416
00:17:52,230 --> 00:17:50,260
these calls came in from all over

417
00:17:54,419 --> 00:17:52,240
so that craft or whatever was seen was

418
00:17:56,510 --> 00:17:54,429
actually originally on one side of the

419
00:17:58,620 --> 00:17:56,520
road it actually crossed Sheffield

420
00:18:00,510 --> 00:17:58,630
Sheffield's Route seven which is where

421
00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:00,520
we ran into it but to go back to Jan

422
00:18:05,220 --> 00:18:03,010
green so what Jan Green is so important

423
00:18:07,769 --> 00:18:05,230
and was that she was actually in the car

424
00:18:10,019 --> 00:18:07,779
after driving driving on the road and

425
00:18:11,490 --> 00:18:10,029
Tom Jay had actually gone back to the

426
00:18:14,490 --> 00:18:11,500
station because he was getting bombarded

427
00:18:15,810 --> 00:18:14,500
with calls over his ham radio so he goes

428
00:18:17,700 --> 00:18:15,820
back to the radio stay that she gets

429
00:18:18,870 --> 00:18:17,710
back on the air and goes okay I've got

430
00:18:20,250 --> 00:18:18,880
these calls from the police to farm

431
00:18:22,830 --> 00:18:20,260
we've got all these witnesses you know

432
00:18:24,180 --> 00:18:22,840
people leaving their numbers is this

433
00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:24,190
thing still in the air because if it is

434
00:18:27,450 --> 00:18:25,690
I want to know where it is and sure

435
00:18:29,310 --> 00:18:27,460
enough G and Green had actually heard

436
00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:29,320
that in her car she's their family used

437
00:18:33,750 --> 00:18:31,570
to own the local pharmacy in town so she

438
00:18:36,419 --> 00:18:33,760
was you know they were predominant and

439
00:18:38,340 --> 00:18:36,429
so she says you know what she I see it

440
00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:38,350
so she ran right into w SBS Freight he

441
00:18:42,149 --> 00:18:39,850
started pounding on the door saying if

442
00:18:45,419 --> 00:18:42,159
you go ice would just walk outside you

443
00:18:46,740 --> 00:18:45,429
see the you know so I got this part in

444
00:18:47,730 --> 00:18:46,750
the film and first and doctor you see

445
00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:47,740
Jan just a bad

446
00:18:51,660 --> 00:18:50,050
man on the door because they wouldn't

447
00:18:54,210 --> 00:18:51,670
answer the door because it was dark and

448
00:18:55,380 --> 00:18:54,220
never closed and and so but jazz like

449
00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:55,390
come on guys

450
00:18:59,610 --> 00:18:57,610
open the friggin door answer your phone

451
00:19:02,040 --> 00:18:59,620
it's right outside the friggin radio

452
00:19:04,500 --> 00:19:02,050
station and so that's when it was seen

453
00:19:06,780 --> 00:19:04,510
over Lake Mansfield by a family named

454
00:19:08,970 --> 00:19:06,790
Bowman and so Bowman actually saw it

455
00:19:11,070 --> 00:19:08,980
then there's this Tom Warner in town who

456
00:19:13,530 --> 00:19:11,080
you know makes reference of Sienna - and

457
00:19:15,330 --> 00:19:13,540
and so you can actually follow it

458
00:19:17,940 --> 00:19:15,340
there's a castle and gray parent in the

459
00:19:19,919 --> 00:19:17,950
Searles castle and a lot of people saw

460
00:19:22,350 --> 00:19:19,929
it around the castle because the castle

461
00:19:23,850 --> 00:19:22,360
was also like a place where people

462
00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:23,860
visited so there are a lot of people

463
00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:25,690
there and Lake Mansfield was only a

464
00:19:29,310 --> 00:19:27,490
couple miles from the castle so in the

465
00:19:31,290 --> 00:19:29,320
air you could see it and then off to the

466
00:19:34,410 --> 00:19:31,300
right also was the the country club

467
00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:34,420
which those golfers actually were you

468
00:19:37,980 --> 00:19:36,610
know you know getting ready to go and

469
00:19:40,650 --> 00:19:37,990
eat at the country at the country club

470
00:19:42,299 --> 00:19:40,660
and they were out there on top of this

471
00:19:43,980 --> 00:19:42,309
hill and they saw and they're the ones

472
00:19:45,419 --> 00:19:43,990
who actually call they actually ended up

473
00:19:47,010 --> 00:19:45,429
getting at a high net classification

474
00:19:49,169 --> 00:19:47,020
back in a day and then it went further

475
00:19:50,820 --> 00:19:49,179
down a road and that's you know we had

476
00:19:52,470 --> 00:19:50,830
left the horse show and we were sitting

477
00:19:53,790 --> 00:19:52,480
at her diner getting there ready for the

478
00:19:55,950 --> 00:19:53,800
following day because it was open late

479
00:19:57,360 --> 00:19:55,960
because again it was a holiday and so we

480
00:19:59,640 --> 00:19:57,370
were had to be there late to clean up

481
00:20:01,770 --> 00:19:59,650
and then we went across the bridge and

482
00:20:03,810 --> 00:20:01,780
that's when we ran into it and so then

483
00:20:05,700 --> 00:20:03,820
the following day all these people came

484
00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:05,710
over the radio station well we had a

485
00:20:10,260 --> 00:20:07,450
packed diner of probably I don't know

486
00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:10,270
back in the day maybe 60 people and they

487
00:20:15,030 --> 00:20:12,250
were all like oh my god we did so what

488
00:20:17,430 --> 00:20:15,040
so told me about that and so that a lot

489
00:20:19,740 --> 00:20:17,440
of people think that event itself in a

490
00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:19,750
restaurant where this came over the

491
00:20:23,610 --> 00:20:22,330
radio is what stirred everything up it's

492
00:20:26,610 --> 00:20:23,620
not it's what brought it together

493
00:20:28,380 --> 00:20:26,620
because until then you only had a pocket

494
00:20:29,970 --> 00:20:28,390
full of people who were being taken

495
00:20:31,230 --> 00:20:29,980
seriously because everyone else thought

496
00:20:31,740 --> 00:20:31,240
they were nuts like we were from New

497
00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:31,750
York

498
00:20:35,730 --> 00:20:34,330
we weren't from mass you know I was just

499
00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:35,740
up there for the summer then basically

500
00:20:41,610 --> 00:20:39,010
no no my mother got divorced uncut in

501
00:20:44,070 --> 00:20:41,620
Colorado and we decided to move back to

502
00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:44,080
where she grew up you know my

503
00:20:47,790 --> 00:20:45,730
grandmother's from Hollis Queens my

504
00:20:50,220 --> 00:20:47,800
father's in Patchogue I was born in New

505
00:20:52,350 --> 00:20:50,230
York you know her family's from new you

506
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:52,360
know nerve gel White Plains all over New

507
00:20:55,169 --> 00:20:54,010
York and so that she didn't want us

508
00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:55,179
going to school there she's like you

509
00:20:58,169 --> 00:20:56,410
know what I wanted my mother loved

510
00:20:59,940 --> 00:20:58,179
horses right my mother just she's been

511
00:21:00,970 --> 00:20:59,950
riding training racehorses and there was

512
00:21:02,230 --> 00:21:00,980
a racetrack in town

513
00:21:04,180 --> 00:21:02,240
great barrington was known for the

514
00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:04,190
racetrack and so she was yeah I want to

515
00:21:10,900 --> 00:21:06,770
blue back I got some money buy some land

516
00:21:13,390 --> 00:21:10,910
had this Norman this wonderful Norman

517
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:13,400
Rockwell upbringing for my children and

518
00:21:16,810 --> 00:21:15,290
nothing could have been further from

519
00:21:19,450 --> 00:21:16,820
what we lived you know what I mean it

520
00:21:21,850 --> 00:21:19,460
was just insane you know so we were

521
00:21:26,590 --> 00:21:21,860
Outsiders to begin with and this did not

522
00:21:29,890 --> 00:21:26,600
help but you know what if if if life was

523
00:21:31,780 --> 00:21:29,900
easy you know I don't mind I've always

524
00:21:33,250 --> 00:21:31,790
been one to go against the grain I don't

525
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:33,260
care what people think I don't care what

526
00:21:36,820 --> 00:21:34,610
people you know if they got stuck with

527
00:21:38,470 --> 00:21:36,830
me about something I stick to my guns I

528
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:38,480
stick to the truth this is what happened

529
00:21:42,580 --> 00:21:39,850
and I've done that my whole life and my

530
00:21:44,050 --> 00:21:42,590
father you know was honor you know had

531
00:21:46,990 --> 00:21:44,060
our back and what the political

532
00:21:48,580 --> 00:21:47,000
connections that helped immensely and my

533
00:21:51,130 --> 00:21:48,590
mother by the way back in a day was a

534
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:51,140
radio personality for wkz II and Sharon

535
00:21:55,780 --> 00:21:52,490
Connecticut so my mother also had a

536
00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:55,790
voice on the radio so you know we we

537
00:22:00,460 --> 00:21:57,770
kept it alive we made sure that we knew

538
00:22:02,530 --> 00:22:00,470
that in the area anyway that this

539
00:22:05,830 --> 00:22:02,540
happened and so a lot of people over the

540
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:05,840
years have supported us and and so we

541
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:06,770
thought you know what

542
00:22:10,420 --> 00:22:08,810
well maybe I can lease this land now and

543
00:22:12,540 --> 00:22:10,430
maybe I can do something and pay

544
00:22:15,580 --> 00:22:12,550
something forward to the community that

545
00:22:16,810 --> 00:22:15,590
was involved in this and save some face

546
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:16,820
for these people to for the

547
00:22:20,950 --> 00:22:18,490
non-believers or what have you because

548
00:22:23,500 --> 00:22:20,960
there's still oddly enough a lot of

549
00:22:25,360 --> 00:22:23,510
naysayers when it comes to ufology or

550
00:22:27,970 --> 00:22:25,370
you know us not being the most

551
00:22:30,070 --> 00:22:27,980
intelligent life out there so you know

552
00:22:31,930 --> 00:22:30,080
it's it's you know I don't you insult

553
00:22:35,740 --> 00:22:31,940
anybody but it is ignorance let's face

554
00:22:39,310 --> 00:22:35,750
it and I did want to bring up two

555
00:22:42,430 --> 00:22:39,320
totally separate things but anyway I'll

556
00:22:43,930 --> 00:22:42,440
start with one of them I covered the

557
00:22:45,850 --> 00:22:43,940
Phoenix lights event

558
00:22:47,230 --> 00:22:45,860
it was a seven hour event for me and

559
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:47,240
when I interviewed everybody there

560
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:49,970
talked to dr. linkage I and multiple

561
00:22:55,120 --> 00:22:52,850
people who were witnesses of that mass

562
00:22:58,090 --> 00:22:55,130
sighting that thousands of people

563
00:23:02,440 --> 00:22:58,100
witnessed in two states in another

564
00:23:05,230 --> 00:23:02,450
country and they all said and across the

565
00:23:08,050 --> 00:23:05,240
board and they've said 100% of the

566
00:23:11,620 --> 00:23:08,060
reports have been that that sighting was

567
00:23:13,690 --> 00:23:11,630
empowering and positive now this flyover

568
00:23:14,740 --> 00:23:13,700
of this craft and we'll get into the

569
00:23:18,220 --> 00:23:14,750
specifics

570
00:23:20,140 --> 00:23:18,230
of that later okay but this flyover of

571
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:20,150
this craft regarding the two hundred

572
00:23:24,580 --> 00:23:22,930
fifty some odd folks or more that's odd

573
00:23:30,340 --> 00:23:24,590
wanted to know

574
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:30,350
has it been universally a positive

575
00:23:35,650 --> 00:23:32,210
situation for them was it a positive

576
00:23:36,820 --> 00:23:35,660
experience or was it a oh my god okay

577
00:23:39,250 --> 00:23:36,830
you know they saw it

578
00:23:41,740 --> 00:23:39,260
or was it know this Phil's nefarious

579
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:41,750
which one of those three or other do you

580
00:23:50,170 --> 00:23:46,250
feel like it's been most of me yeah yeah

581
00:23:52,060 --> 00:23:50,180
I would say that the the sighting itself

582
00:23:54,730 --> 00:23:52,070
and those who encountered it there

583
00:23:56,620 --> 00:23:54,740
wasn't the only one or a family wasn't

584
00:23:58,840 --> 00:23:56,630
the only one I'd say it was almost a

585
00:24:00,040 --> 00:23:58,850
privilege to see and be part of what we

586
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:00,050
did I think I'd answered a lot of

587
00:24:03,940 --> 00:24:01,970
questions about life and where he came

588
00:24:06,330 --> 00:24:03,950
from I think it clarified a lot of

589
00:24:10,630 --> 00:24:06,340
things for us but I think what was

590
00:24:14,350 --> 00:24:10,640
dangerous and what really was difficult

591
00:24:17,710 --> 00:24:14,360
for our family was the attitude of a lot

592
00:24:20,260 --> 00:24:17,720
of the people around it the the incident

593
00:24:21,970 --> 00:24:20,270
itself I mean I'd love to see another

594
00:24:23,590 --> 00:24:21,980
one I mean I'd love to go out there with

595
00:24:25,930 --> 00:24:23,600
my camera go son of a gun there it is

596
00:24:27,700 --> 00:24:25,940
again and I I mean I'm not one who's

597
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:27,710
afraid of it I don't think people in

598
00:24:32,410 --> 00:24:29,570
town were really afraid I think people

599
00:24:34,300 --> 00:24:32,420
were just it was different

600
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:34,310
see ya back back in Sheffield to

601
00:24:39,490 --> 00:24:37,730
understand this um and your listeners

602
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:39,500
probably aren't aware that we had

603
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:42,850
command aerospace Pratt & Whitney we had

604
00:24:48,580 --> 00:24:47,090
Sikorsky Aircraft we had what else am i

605
00:24:50,140 --> 00:24:48,590
missing there I'll command aerospace

606
00:24:52,500 --> 00:24:50,150
Brett Lindy Sikorsky GE

607
00:24:54,130 --> 00:24:52,510
electric boat with the Groton Naval Base

608
00:24:57,070 --> 00:24:54,140
the Newport

609
00:24:58,630 --> 00:24:57,080
you know Naval Base the National Guard

610
00:25:00,430 --> 00:24:58,640
wasn't far from there so there were a

611
00:25:02,170 --> 00:25:00,440
lot of people that were used to seeing

612
00:25:04,210 --> 00:25:02,180
things in the sky and there were an

613
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:04,220
awful lot of local pilots in the area

614
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:06,170
too because you know they would fly here

615
00:25:10,540 --> 00:25:08,810
for either my family were all pilots I

616
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:10,550
was the only one in my family who didn't

617
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:11,570
have a pilot's but in the you know

618
00:25:16,510 --> 00:25:14,090
pilot's license so a small engine and

619
00:25:19,420 --> 00:25:16,520
and so I think it was very easy for

620
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:19,430
people to kind of rationalize off what

621
00:25:23,110 --> 00:25:21,290
they saw originally like oh that's got

622
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:23,120
to be this right that's got to be that

623
00:25:28,659 --> 00:25:26,690
so they would go the you know the what

624
00:25:30,759 --> 00:25:28,669
could it possibly be plus I'll tell you

625
00:25:33,129 --> 00:25:30,769
than else they were actually mining for

626
00:25:35,019 --> 00:25:33,139
magnesium and the government was in

627
00:25:36,159 --> 00:25:35,029
Tallinn basically in our backyard back

628
00:25:38,139 --> 00:25:36,169
then because they were mining for

629
00:25:40,149 --> 00:25:38,149
magnesium for the atom bomb that was

630
00:25:42,940 --> 00:25:40,159
used back in the back in the day and

631
00:25:45,129 --> 00:25:42,950
after that mining for the atom bomb

632
00:25:46,539 --> 00:25:45,139
ceased they continually mined for

633
00:25:48,580 --> 00:25:46,549
magnesium so there was a government

634
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:48,590
presence there too so people would see

635
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:50,570
government in the area you had all these

636
00:25:54,729 --> 00:25:52,369
government manufacturing facilities and

637
00:25:57,249 --> 00:25:54,739
then it came to be you know the spin was

638
00:25:59,139 --> 00:25:57,259
well maybe something crashed and it

639
00:26:01,180 --> 00:25:59,149
because of all the local government you

640
00:26:02,590 --> 00:26:01,190
know manufacturing facilities here maybe

641
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:02,600
they're working on something maybe they

642
00:26:06,940 --> 00:26:04,369
found something kind of like the area 51

643
00:26:08,289 --> 00:26:06,950
thing plus you had the Nike missile site

644
00:26:09,879 --> 00:26:08,299
you had the Minuteman missile site you

645
00:26:10,810 --> 00:26:09,889
had all the tunnels and stuff from the

646
00:26:12,220 --> 00:26:10,820
Cold War because you're up in the

647
00:26:14,739 --> 00:26:12,230
mountains I mean Sheffield Massachusetts

648
00:26:16,810 --> 00:26:14,749
is like I don't know it's over a

649
00:26:19,149 --> 00:26:16,820
thousand or 18 feet above sea level so

650
00:26:21,609 --> 00:26:19,159
and our farm was really high up too so

651
00:26:25,180 --> 00:26:21,619
to answer your question inner circle

652
00:26:27,639 --> 00:26:25,190
around to it I think people assumed at

653
00:26:32,889 --> 00:26:27,649
first that maybe it was something of

654
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:32,899
ours and then it got to be no it hovered

655
00:26:36,700 --> 00:26:35,330
and then it got no it stayed there and

656
00:26:39,549 --> 00:26:36,710
then all of a sudden you know it shot

657
00:26:42,849 --> 00:26:39,559
over here so it was easier for people to

658
00:26:45,070 --> 00:26:42,859
accept because of that and I think that

659
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:45,080
kind of resonated for a while then it

660
00:26:49,210 --> 00:26:46,129
would like well nothing happened

661
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:49,220
nobody's hurt you know maybe we saw

662
00:26:51,759 --> 00:26:50,690
something offworld and that's how they

663
00:26:53,590 --> 00:26:51,769
labeled it back in the day it wasn't

664
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:53,600
considered a UFO was offworld and that's

665
00:26:59,349 --> 00:26:55,730
why this governor citation is worded

666
00:27:01,570 --> 00:26:59,359
offworld so I don't know of anybody that

667
00:27:03,099 --> 00:27:01,580
would be scared of it I mean okay and

668
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:03,109
then the other question I have for you

669
00:27:06,369 --> 00:27:04,850
is and I'm just gonna go in parallel my

670
00:27:08,830 --> 00:27:06,379
question with the Phoenix lights and

671
00:27:12,220 --> 00:27:08,840
you'll see why the Phoenix lights

672
00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:12,230
everybody it appeared to them that this

673
00:27:17,349 --> 00:27:14,720
mass sighting was a big reveal like the

674
00:27:21,869 --> 00:27:17,359
crap was flying over for reasons so that

675
00:27:24,249 --> 00:27:21,879
people could purposely see it does it

676
00:27:26,799 --> 00:27:24,259
again we'll get into it later regarding

677
00:27:28,779 --> 00:27:26,809
what specifically happened you but do

678
00:27:31,690 --> 00:27:28,789
you feel like the craft was flying over

679
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:31,700
repeatedly to reveal itself in two

680
00:27:35,590 --> 00:27:34,129
masses of people did it and I didn't it

681
00:27:37,779 --> 00:27:35,600
didn't repeat itself at all that was

682
00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:37,789
once one flight it was a jagged flight

683
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:39,919
but it was one and then when it got to

684
00:27:42,430 --> 00:27:41,570
Sheffield where we ran into it it wasn't

685
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:42,440
by its though

686
00:27:45,610 --> 00:27:43,730
there were three pieces to it which I

687
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:45,620
think I showed you a picture of that

688
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:47,600
you had the you had these two big

689
00:27:51,279 --> 00:27:49,730
spheres that look like about four times

690
00:27:53,230 --> 00:27:51,289
the size of evokes like and then they

691
00:27:54,879 --> 00:27:53,240
came off of it and they both went around

692
00:27:56,529 --> 00:27:54,889
a waterway they were both hovering over

693
00:27:59,080 --> 00:27:56,539
water so it was a three piece thing I

694
00:28:00,639 --> 00:27:59,090
think it was a research type of thing

695
00:28:04,299 --> 00:28:00,649
they were looking and it was over water

696
00:28:06,940 --> 00:28:04,309
so to me I would yeah I think it was I

697
00:28:09,879 --> 00:28:06,950
don't say mining but it was a it was

698
00:28:12,100 --> 00:28:09,889
definitely interested in the water the

699
00:28:14,529 --> 00:28:12,110
number of witnesses you mentioned 250 is

700
00:28:18,159 --> 00:28:14,539
that just in the park or is that total

701
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:18,169
along this lengthy pathway a 12 mile

702
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:19,970
radius and there was probably quite a

703
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:22,970
few more according to the accounts it

704
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:26,210
was amazing people it was like a bunch

705
00:28:30,999 --> 00:28:28,490
of people and within a 12 mile range saw

706
00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:31,009
this thing all over the place and in all

707
00:28:36,430 --> 00:28:33,289
the descriptions that we could find our

708
00:28:38,980 --> 00:28:36,440
historical record were absolutely the up

709
00:28:41,169 --> 00:28:38,990
like the same style of craft that's

710
00:28:42,669 --> 00:28:41,179
what's so amazing about it right

711
00:28:45,490 --> 00:28:42,679
accurate everybody's description is

712
00:28:47,499 --> 00:28:45,500
pretty much the same yeah it looked like

713
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:47,509
a turtle shell be honest with you you

714
00:28:52,029 --> 00:28:49,370
know to some degree and to comment on

715
00:28:54,820 --> 00:28:52,039
kept until the 250 calls right Kevin

716
00:28:56,529 --> 00:28:54,830
there were 250 reports but think about

717
00:28:58,840 --> 00:28:56,539
this this was a labor day so those

718
00:29:01,600 --> 00:28:58,850
reports had families that witnessed it

719
00:29:03,639 --> 00:29:01,610
so if you look at it was just one call

720
00:29:05,950 --> 00:29:03,649
but they had you know sometimes several

721
00:29:08,259 --> 00:29:05,960
friends and family out having barbecues

722
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:08,269
there's a Gina Paul Gina and Melissa

723
00:29:13,119 --> 00:29:10,970
Palmer and her father lived on her Road

724
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:13,129
lived actually right next to the bust I

725
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:14,450
used to walk to school with Gina

726
00:29:18,700 --> 00:29:17,210
Paulette Marissa and I was you know and

727
00:29:21,220 --> 00:29:18,710
I would tell them because we actually

728
00:29:22,509 --> 00:29:21,230
saw it beforehand before September you

729
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:22,519
know first we actually had seen it

730
00:29:25,299 --> 00:29:22,850
before

731
00:29:27,759 --> 00:29:25,309
couple people did and and we would talk

732
00:29:29,499 --> 00:29:27,769
to them and so on Labor Day they

733
00:29:32,769 --> 00:29:29,509
actually were being called to the picnic

734
00:29:34,149 --> 00:29:32,779
table to eat and and they were out there

735
00:29:36,009 --> 00:29:34,159
in the field just stare at this thing

736
00:29:38,169 --> 00:29:36,019
and their family all came over because

737
00:29:39,789 --> 00:29:38,179
the girls were pointing to this just

738
00:29:42,129 --> 00:29:39,799
these shapes in the sky that were

739
00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:42,139
starting to form different you know like

740
00:29:47,169 --> 00:29:44,720
a circle and break apart so the thing

741
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:47,179
about this tonight was it wasn't just

742
00:29:51,970 --> 00:29:50,090
one object object it was one object that

743
00:29:53,470 --> 00:29:51,980
others came out of or came from it

744
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:53,480
seemed like it could have been multiple

745
00:29:58,690 --> 00:29:56,330
objects but it did look like it was

746
00:30:00,220 --> 00:29:58,700
was coming out of it these balls of

747
00:30:02,169 --> 00:30:00,230
light and they would move and turn and

748
00:30:04,539 --> 00:30:02,179
spin and then they would kind of go back

749
00:30:06,730 --> 00:30:04,549
and group and disappear and move on its

750
00:30:10,269 --> 00:30:06,740
Caillou you had mentioned some police

751
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:10,279
calls earlier on do we have any police

752
00:30:16,029 --> 00:30:13,610
officers as witnesses as part of the the

753
00:30:18,399 --> 00:30:16,039
the formal getting together of the

754
00:30:20,799 --> 00:30:18,409
monument or did anything forward later

755
00:30:22,180 --> 00:30:20,809
on yeah we do a matter of fact there's a

756
00:30:23,860 --> 00:30:22,190
couple of them that are gonna be in an

757
00:30:26,399 --> 00:30:23,870
upcoming show that we can't mention

758
00:30:29,590 --> 00:30:26,409
because of a non-disclosure but yeah yes

759
00:30:32,590 --> 00:30:29,600
and had detective Steve white who I can

760
00:30:34,990 --> 00:30:32,600
mention he was investigated some of it

761
00:30:37,690 --> 00:30:35,000
so yeah there's officers there's lawyers

762
00:30:39,700 --> 00:30:37,700
there's judges there's site you know

763
00:30:44,019 --> 00:30:39,710
historians there's bankers there's

764
00:30:46,899 --> 00:30:44,029
politicians it's it's amazing because

765
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:46,909
like I said that the what what makes

766
00:30:51,310 --> 00:30:49,370
this so unique is that those kids grew

767
00:30:54,070 --> 00:30:51,320
up to have professional careers and and

768
00:30:56,850 --> 00:30:54,080
stuck to their guns and so fifty years

769
00:30:59,049 --> 00:30:56,860
later they're like you know they're

770
00:31:01,750 --> 00:30:59,059
professionals they're doctors you know

771
00:31:05,470 --> 00:31:01,760
they have professional careers now and a

772
00:31:07,899 --> 00:31:05,480
matter-of-fact Louie who was a is a

773
00:31:12,820 --> 00:31:07,909
witness to several things

774
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:12,830
he owns 1600 acres of property and four

775
00:31:19,029 --> 00:31:16,010
dairy farms so these are not nobodies

776
00:31:22,110 --> 00:31:19,039
that have gone out on a limb to give

777
00:31:24,100 --> 00:31:22,120
testimony to the Historical Society

778
00:31:28,710 --> 00:31:24,110
regarding this incident which occurred

779
00:31:31,180 --> 00:31:28,720
on September 1st 1969 and in making

780
00:31:32,289 --> 00:31:31,190
actually world history not just US

781
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:32,299
history

782
00:31:40,299 --> 00:31:37,519
I wanted to know do you feel like this

783
00:31:42,370 --> 00:31:40,309
incident has permanently changed the

784
00:31:45,549 --> 00:31:42,380
community that you live in in other

785
00:31:48,580 --> 00:31:45,559
words do people feel like it's the same

786
00:31:51,340 --> 00:31:48,590
town anymore or has it you know how you

787
00:31:53,590 --> 00:31:51,350
can live in a small town and it's just

788
00:31:54,909 --> 00:31:53,600
always eternally that town did this

789
00:32:01,930 --> 00:31:54,919
incident permanently change the

790
00:32:03,430 --> 00:32:01,940
community and if so how we can both tell

791
00:32:06,389 --> 00:32:03,440
you that I'll let it tell you Tom and

792
00:32:09,820 --> 00:32:06,399
I'll tell you the other aspects of it oh

793
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:09,830
okay I would just say look at the park I

794
00:32:13,180 --> 00:32:10,130
mean

795
00:32:15,130 --> 00:32:13,190
the outpouring has been phenomenal now

796
00:32:16,779 --> 00:32:15,140
again you still have some naysayers you

797
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:16,789
still get out all that you know whatever

798
00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:19,610
but yeah I would say that it's brought

799
00:32:22,930 --> 00:32:21,289
the the community together and then you

800
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:22,940
look at the city of Pine Bush New York

801
00:32:27,909 --> 00:32:25,490
who celebrates you know the Pine Bush

802
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:27,919
UFO fair in memory of the Hudson River

803
00:32:32,830 --> 00:32:30,890
Valley sightings and so now the city of

804
00:32:34,029 --> 00:32:32,840
Pine Bush is so supportive that they're

805
00:32:36,730 --> 00:32:34,039
actually holding the 50th year

806
00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:36,740
anniversary in Pine Bush and then you

807
00:32:40,570 --> 00:32:38,960
look at Salem you know the mayor of

808
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:40,580
Salem you know and I

809
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:43,490
my father was basically mayor so there's

810
00:32:48,940 --> 00:32:46,130
a respect there and so we you know we

811
00:32:50,620 --> 00:32:48,950
had a conferences and spoke and Salem

812
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:50,630
Ben Hansen was there with me Travis

813
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:52,850
Walton I think Richard Dolan Skyped in

814
00:32:56,350 --> 00:32:55,250
my bar has been there with me Nick read

815
00:32:59,649 --> 00:32:56,360
firms talk there

816
00:33:03,100 --> 00:32:59,659
so involving our case it's been welcomed

817
00:33:04,990 --> 00:33:03,110
in the Salem community it's now welcomed

818
00:33:07,539 --> 00:33:05,000
in the great barrington Sheffield

819
00:33:09,340 --> 00:33:07,549
community and it's now welcome than Pine

820
00:33:11,980 --> 00:33:09,350
Bush so you're looking at the entire

821
00:33:15,130 --> 00:33:11,990
area all the events and all the the odd

822
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:15,140
history Island New England and believe

823
00:33:19,450 --> 00:33:17,090
me there's a lot of it kind of all

824
00:33:21,370 --> 00:33:19,460
support one another and that's one of

825
00:33:23,409 --> 00:33:21,380
the I'm glad you mentioned I want to say

826
00:33:25,770 --> 00:33:23,419
something else um for the longest time I

827
00:33:27,730 --> 00:33:25,780
had to be very very careful how I

828
00:33:30,419 --> 00:33:27,740
discussed this what I said the

829
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:30,429
terminology I used you know how I would

830
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:33,250
you know relay this to people because

831
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:37,130
the amount of support I've had would

832
00:33:43,060 --> 00:33:40,130
then break the the amount of support I

833
00:33:45,460 --> 00:33:43,070
have the credibility of those giving

834
00:33:47,380 --> 00:33:45,470
testimony they had said to me if we go I

835
00:33:48,970 --> 00:33:47,390
don't know limb for you and we decide to

836
00:33:52,390 --> 00:33:48,980
do this or we decide to vote on this and

837
00:33:55,090 --> 00:33:52,400
bring it into just state you you know oh

838
00:33:56,669 --> 00:33:55,100
you need to make darn sure that you

839
00:33:58,720 --> 00:33:56,679
don't make us look stupid and and

840
00:34:00,760 --> 00:33:58,730
overstate things and I'm like no I'm not

841
00:34:02,409 --> 00:34:00,770
gonna do that and I've been very I've

842
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:02,419
been very conservative there's so much

843
00:34:06,370 --> 00:34:04,490
more I'd love to say but but be you know

844
00:34:08,849 --> 00:34:06,380
honor you understand I can't lose the

845
00:34:11,530 --> 00:34:08,859
support of the city state and government

846
00:34:14,139 --> 00:34:11,540
it was hard enough to get them to accept

847
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:14,149
this to begin with I'll tell you

848
00:34:19,750 --> 00:34:16,850
something else to the governor Charles T

849
00:34:21,790 --> 00:34:19,760
Baker well there was a report out there

850
00:34:23,290 --> 00:34:21,800
that the citation was written in error I

851
00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:23,300
want to clear that up really quick

852
00:34:28,390 --> 00:34:25,760
because that's nonsense the governor's

853
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:28,400
signed the first citation and a citation

854
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:32,450
a proclamation any document that it in

855
00:34:39,720 --> 00:34:37,520
ducks or ads or registers any event in

856
00:34:43,630 --> 00:34:39,730
history into the archives of that state

857
00:34:46,180 --> 00:34:43,640
has to have a date of incident well the

858
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:46,190
first citation had my birth date on it

859
00:34:50,020 --> 00:34:48,410
so he looked at the birth date and then

860
00:34:52,750 --> 00:34:50,030
signed off on it thinking that that was

861
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:52,760
the date of incident so two weeks later

862
00:34:56,919 --> 00:34:54,770
I get a call from the governor's office

863
00:34:58,750 --> 00:34:56,929
saying you know we're gonna reissue that

864
00:35:00,400 --> 00:34:58,760
please you know kind of disregard it and

865
00:35:03,460 --> 00:35:00,410
so there was a second one that was

866
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:03,470
issued in November that's the citation

867
00:35:06,460 --> 00:35:04,850
that's always been on the monument

868
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:06,470
that's the citation that's floating

869
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:08,450
around out there but there was some

870
00:35:13,030 --> 00:35:11,090
negative reporter by the name of Terry

871
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:13,040
Cowgill who if I ever see him I'm really

872
00:35:17,890 --> 00:35:16,130
gonna have I wish I really don't want to

873
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:17,900
meet up with him for a number of reasons

874
00:35:22,780 --> 00:35:19,970
but he went out and put on the front

875
00:35:25,350 --> 00:35:22,790
page of an article of his he was the

876
00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:25,360
editor for the paper that the governor

877
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:27,680
citation was written in error well

878
00:35:32,380 --> 00:35:30,410
technically he's right the first one did

879
00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:32,390
have an error it wasn't written in error

880
00:35:36,250 --> 00:35:34,730
it had an error in it but did he say

881
00:35:38,740 --> 00:35:36,260
that the second one was issued two weeks

882
00:35:40,180 --> 00:35:38,750
later it was corrected so I said to him

883
00:35:41,770 --> 00:35:40,190
on the phone one day I called him up I

884
00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:41,780
had a couple of beers and I was like you

885
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:48,320
know what I'm up and I looks really

886
00:35:51,730 --> 00:35:49,370
creepy he's not someone you'd look

887
00:35:54,070 --> 00:35:51,740
babysit you know what I mean so so I

888
00:35:55,510 --> 00:35:54,080
called him up but I'm like you know why

889
00:35:58,840 --> 00:35:55,520
why would you do that why would you miss

890
00:36:00,130 --> 00:35:58,850
you know lead your your you know your

891
00:36:02,110 --> 00:36:00,140
readers why well why would you do

892
00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:02,120
something like that and it comes out

893
00:36:07,180 --> 00:36:04,250
that he actually has a an issue with my

894
00:36:10,420 --> 00:36:07,190
late father apparently they you know he

895
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:10,430
just never liked family so but so you do

896
00:36:13,930 --> 00:36:12,290
get that but aside from a few bad apples

897
00:36:17,410 --> 00:36:13,940
I think this has brought the community

898
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:17,420
together there's a lot of you know to

899
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:20,090
support and and there's a lot of people

900
00:36:24,460 --> 00:36:22,850
donating things let that Monument a lot

901
00:36:26,260 --> 00:36:24,470
of people think oh well who built the

902
00:36:28,690 --> 00:36:26,270
monument do you know the people in town

903
00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:28,700
built that they paid for that the the

904
00:36:34,300 --> 00:36:32,000
locals paid for that monument just real

905
00:36:36,580 --> 00:36:34,310
quickly you were talking about the

906
00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:36,590
response in the town you

907
00:36:40,990 --> 00:36:38,240
located you don't live in the immediate

908
00:36:42,670 --> 00:36:41,000
area anymore do you have to change how

909
00:36:45,250 --> 00:36:42,680
you talk about this that like affect

910
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:45,260
your home you have to sort of wear your

911
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:47,690
current home if your home you have to

912
00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:50,090
talk about things a certain way if at

913
00:36:55,420 --> 00:36:52,640
all and then when you get back to the

914
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:55,430
old homestead the old hometown then you

915
00:36:58,660 --> 00:36:56,810
can be a little bit more open you have

916
00:37:01,060 --> 00:36:58,670
to kind of adjust your message

917
00:37:03,130 --> 00:37:01,070
accordingly I would say this truth to

918
00:37:04,660 --> 00:37:03,140
that sure when I was in speaking at the

919
00:37:07,090 --> 00:37:04,670
Phoenix lights just a couple weeks ago

920
00:37:09,370 --> 00:37:07,100
had the Historical Society I mean I

921
00:37:11,890 --> 00:37:09,380
opened up I mean I spoke for three hours

922
00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:11,900
and I was just like you know hey you

923
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:14,240
know whatever I'm just gonna you know

924
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:16,370
let it out I mean you know I I remember

925
00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:18,530
what we saw I could talk more about that

926
00:37:22,300 --> 00:37:20,720
and it's been four years now that this

927
00:37:24,250 --> 00:37:22,310
been inducted so for the first couple

928
00:37:24,670 --> 00:37:24,260
years you gotta understand - I know you

929
00:37:27,850 --> 00:37:24,680
do

930
00:37:30,250 --> 00:37:27,860
it was pioneering they knew they were

931
00:37:31,780 --> 00:37:30,260
going to you know have a tough time

932
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:31,790
selling this to certain people that was

933
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:33,770
gonna one person lost their job for it

934
00:37:37,690 --> 00:37:35,810
so you know people were like come on

935
00:37:41,380 --> 00:37:37,700
just just let it let it resonate for a

936
00:37:43,630 --> 00:37:41,390
while please don't you know go too far

937
00:37:46,870 --> 00:37:43,640
because the truth of the matter is the

938
00:37:48,910 --> 00:37:46,880
the the state and the if you read the

939
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:48,920
citations and you read the letters by

940
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:51,410
the State Historical Society you'll see

941
00:37:54,850 --> 00:37:53,330
that it refers to it as an offworld

942
00:37:56,860 --> 00:37:54,860
event and that the event itself was

943
00:37:58,450 --> 00:37:56,870
established the Reed's diner altered the

944
00:38:01,450 --> 00:37:58,460
natural progression of the community

945
00:38:04,300 --> 00:38:01,460
over a UFO incident but it doesn't say

946
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:04,310
in the in there that they deemed an

947
00:38:09,130 --> 00:38:06,800
abduction case true okay they don't say

948
00:38:11,860 --> 00:38:09,140
that therefore if I go out into paper

949
00:38:14,410 --> 00:38:11,870
and a and I in it they write that you

950
00:38:16,690 --> 00:38:14,420
know governor Charles D Baker inducted

951
00:38:18,580 --> 00:38:16,700
an abduction case and they check with

952
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:18,590
the governor he's gonna say no I didn't

953
00:38:23,530 --> 00:38:22,130
because he didn't he inducted a mass

954
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:23,540
sighting kinda like the Phoenix lights

955
00:38:27,310 --> 00:38:25,970
but a little bit more you know purse up

956
00:38:30,250 --> 00:38:27,320
and you know little you know we had

957
00:38:32,290 --> 00:38:30,260
front-row seats so there was more to it

958
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:32,300
and but it was very similar to the

959
00:38:35,890 --> 00:38:34,010
Phoenix like you can't say it didn't

960
00:38:36,910 --> 00:38:35,900
happen the Phoenix lights happen it

961
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:36,920
happened okay

962
00:38:42,670 --> 00:38:39,890
yeah it'll get over it right so yeah

963
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:42,680
yeah so that's kind of how this got

964
00:38:46,780 --> 00:38:45,200
inducted too and so the governor and the

965
00:38:49,300 --> 00:38:46,790
Historical Society was like you know

966
00:38:50,289 --> 00:38:49,310
just don't go out there and say we

967
00:38:52,630 --> 00:38:50,299
inducted in abduch

968
00:38:55,630 --> 00:38:52,640
in case because you know and we're gonna

969
00:38:58,719 --> 00:38:55,640
have to deny that you know we and

970
00:39:00,640 --> 00:38:58,729
inducted an encounter an offworld

971
00:39:03,999 --> 00:39:00,650
encounter I'm like I'm fine with that

972
00:39:05,829 --> 00:39:04,009
you know hey and so uh thank you very

973
00:39:08,289 --> 00:39:05,839
much for saying that by the way Thomas I

974
00:39:10,449 --> 00:39:08,299
wanted to actually bring in and that

975
00:39:12,729 --> 00:39:10,459
that's great that you talked about that

976
00:39:15,789 --> 00:39:12,739
because it's perfect segue to bring in

977
00:39:17,859 --> 00:39:15,799
Judge Kevin Titus of the 30th district

978
00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:17,869
court who we have with us tonight who

979
00:39:21,370 --> 00:39:19,609
later seal the records by governor

980
00:39:24,489 --> 00:39:21,380
Charles D Baker and the Historical

981
00:39:27,489 --> 00:39:24,499
Society declaring them uncontested

982
00:39:29,499 --> 00:39:27,499
lawful documents in 2018 the Historical

983
00:39:31,029 --> 00:39:29,509
Marker database out of the UFO monument

984
00:39:33,219 --> 00:39:31,039
to its library of official landmarks

985
00:39:35,859 --> 00:39:33,229
Kevin I wanted to ask you about that

986
00:39:37,900 --> 00:39:35,869
whole situation I just read right there

987
00:39:41,319 --> 00:39:37,910
from the website that Tom has which is

988
00:39:44,349 --> 00:39:41,329
Tom Reed dotnet regarding the offworld

989
00:39:47,109 --> 00:39:44,359
incident can you please go into detail

990
00:39:50,109 --> 00:39:47,119
regarding those sealed records by

991
00:39:52,359 --> 00:39:50,119
Governor Charles Baker and what you had

992
00:39:54,609 --> 00:39:52,369
to do with those records where where is

993
00:39:56,019 --> 00:39:54,619
your connection regarding that well

994
00:39:58,049 --> 00:39:56,029
there's if you're wanna go down there

995
00:40:00,549 --> 00:39:58,059
was a lot of different connections

996
00:40:02,589 --> 00:40:00,559
it all began if you want to make that

997
00:40:04,660 --> 00:40:02,599
brief is when one day I was down at the

998
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:04,670
Sheffield covered bridge and what had

999
00:40:08,380 --> 00:40:06,890
happened was I walked across the bridge

1000
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:08,390
with my wife because we're looking at

1001
00:40:13,630 --> 00:40:10,880
historical areas and we saw this big

1002
00:40:15,130 --> 00:40:13,640
marker and I said my goodness that could

1003
00:40:16,749 --> 00:40:15,140
be a marker to the shades were buying

1004
00:40:19,269 --> 00:40:16,759
there's the thing that took a place in

1005
00:40:20,979 --> 00:40:19,279
that area around 1787 and which helped

1006
00:40:23,679 --> 00:40:20,989
bring the Constitution the United States

1007
00:40:25,929 --> 00:40:23,689
so big rebellion against taxes for

1008
00:40:27,819 --> 00:40:25,939
people that hadn't you know gotten paid

1009
00:40:29,709 --> 00:40:27,829
in the revolution war however as a went

1010
00:40:31,179 --> 00:40:29,719
to the marker I looked over and I looked

1011
00:40:33,039 --> 00:40:31,189
at this mark and I said oh my goodness

1012
00:40:34,569 --> 00:40:33,049
look at this interesting thing and I

1013
00:40:37,179 --> 00:40:34,579
said you know what I remembers that

1014
00:40:39,549 --> 00:40:37,189
something like that on that weekend of

1015
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:39,559
Labor Day of 1969 and when I was reading

1016
00:40:44,469 --> 00:40:42,170
the citation the plaque the original one

1017
00:40:48,039 --> 00:40:44,479
that was on there previous that Tom they

1018
00:40:50,109 --> 00:40:48,049
had to replace was up there and I read

1019
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:50,119
it and I saw Thomas Reid's name and I

1020
00:40:53,469 --> 00:40:51,170
went wait a minute

1021
00:40:56,699 --> 00:40:53,479
I know it's Thomas Reed I know the Reed

1022
00:40:59,380 --> 00:40:56,709
family and I know that his father was a

1023
00:41:00,189 --> 00:40:59,390
town selectman Falls woods Connecticut

1024
00:41:01,539 --> 00:41:00,199
who's very good friends with my

1025
00:41:02,210 --> 00:41:01,549
grandparents the Ryan's

1026
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:02,220
and

1027
00:41:06,050 --> 00:41:03,570
he was one of the few have very few

1028
00:41:08,750 --> 00:41:06,060
people ever called my grandfather Jim

1029
00:41:11,390 --> 00:41:08,760
and so the next thing I was saying is uh

1030
00:41:12,830 --> 00:41:11,400
I looked up he said you know I'm going

1031
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:12,840
to look into this because I remember

1032
00:41:15,770 --> 00:41:14,010
something about this I remember

1033
00:41:18,140 --> 00:41:15,780
something occurring in my lifetime at

1034
00:41:19,580 --> 00:41:18,150
that same time and that at that point I

1035
00:41:20,750 --> 00:41:19,590
went ahead and thought it made a point I

1036
00:41:22,550 --> 00:41:20,760
said you know what I'm researching this

1037
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:22,560
I'm going to get into this deep so what

1038
00:41:26,510 --> 00:41:23,850
had happened when I looked and I finally

1039
00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:26,520
contacted somebody either his socks ID

1040
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:28,800
or the Sheffield Police Department to

1041
00:41:34,250 --> 00:41:31,890
get word to Thomas Reid and they did and

1042
00:41:35,870 --> 00:41:34,260
it was kind of funny because Tom had

1043
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:35,880
been contacted by somebody else and

1044
00:41:39,140 --> 00:41:37,440
probably wondering whether I was some

1045
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:39,150
kind of strange unusual person trying to

1046
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:41,610
reach him and I realized that Tom and

1047
00:41:44,900 --> 00:41:43,290
Reid we may have knew each other and we

1048
00:41:47,630 --> 00:41:44,910
did know each other as kids with Peter

1049
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:47,640
Reilly and Eddie Dickinson and people we

1050
00:41:51,380 --> 00:41:48,930
all knew each other in that little area

1051
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:51,390
back when we were kids and what had

1052
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:53,490
happened was that I finally got ahold of

1053
00:41:58,460 --> 00:41:56,400
him he contacted me and I said Tom you

1054
00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:58,470
know what he said he had a situation he

1055
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:00,480
wanted to look into it and I did I took

1056
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:02,130
it on and I researched it now to get

1057
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:04,170
back to your question what I did was

1058
00:42:08,300 --> 00:42:06,330
after I started the investigation as I

1059
00:42:10,730 --> 00:42:08,310
call it to investigate the historical

1060
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:10,740
significance and let me create that as a

1061
00:42:15,410 --> 00:42:12,930
permanent thing I I researched

1062
00:42:19,370 --> 00:42:15,420
historical fact and what I did is I

1063
00:42:22,100 --> 00:42:19,380
looked into this matter very deeply

1064
00:42:24,590 --> 00:42:22,110
and I found records and Massachusetts I

1065
00:42:27,530 --> 00:42:24,600
found the records with the governor and

1066
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:27,540
also Tom had given me various papers and

1067
00:42:32,780 --> 00:42:30,330
documents and things of that nature and

1068
00:42:34,220 --> 00:42:32,790
I just went into a deeper and deeper and

1069
00:42:36,410 --> 00:42:34,230
when I found out I found there were some

1070
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:36,420
government records for which is now the

1071
00:42:41,510 --> 00:42:39,690
Great Barrington private air airfield

1072
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:41,520
now where I actually am trying to get my

1073
00:42:47,720 --> 00:42:44,330
pilot license he used to be a military

1074
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:47,730
established and up to about 1974 and

1075
00:42:51,580 --> 00:42:49,290
what had happened was according to a lot

1076
00:42:54,890 --> 00:42:51,590
of accounts in actual military counts it

1077
00:42:56,300 --> 00:42:54,900
stated that the radar there was no

1078
00:42:59,450 --> 00:42:56,310
airplanes they said there was no

1079
00:43:01,460 --> 00:42:59,460
helicopters up that day but the radar

1080
00:43:04,070 --> 00:43:01,470
the radar technicians or the radar man

1081
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:04,080
saw something very very strange that

1082
00:43:08,930 --> 00:43:06,450
particularly evening and around that

1083
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:08,940
whole time period so that got me more

1084
00:43:13,340 --> 00:43:10,290
and thrilled to want a day into this

1085
00:43:15,470 --> 00:43:13,350
even more further and as I did Tom and I

1086
00:43:16,070 --> 00:43:15,480
did we have further research I found out

1087
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:16,080
I found

1088
00:43:20,450 --> 00:43:19,770
people that had stated to what they had

1089
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:20,460
seen

1090
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:23,490
I had met met very a fair several

1091
00:43:28,610 --> 00:43:26,010
witnesses in fact Jan green was one of

1092
00:43:31,370 --> 00:43:28,620
them and yeah like I said their accounts

1093
00:43:32,930 --> 00:43:31,380
are unrefuted I mean they're these

1094
00:43:34,370 --> 00:43:32,940
people saw something and these are not

1095
00:43:36,980 --> 00:43:34,380
the comment people would make this stuff

1096
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:36,990
up so you researched it deeper deeper

1097
00:43:40,190 --> 00:43:39,450
and then I finally got involved in with

1098
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:40,200
palm-reading

1099
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:43,370
more involved in making the park and

1100
00:43:48,530 --> 00:43:46,050
establishing is what I want it to be a

1101
00:43:50,810 --> 00:43:48,540
historical site and that's what we've

1102
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:50,820
done now we want to make it on the basis

1103
00:43:54,620 --> 00:43:52,560
of a national historical landmark

1104
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:54,630
something that's going to be sacred like

1105
00:43:58,010 --> 00:43:56,210
you would think of Gettysburg or

1106
00:44:00,800 --> 00:43:58,020
Williamsburg or something of that nature

1107
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:00,810
and the way the parks going the way we

1108
00:44:05,950 --> 00:44:03,570
designed it it's very much it's exactly

1109
00:44:09,470 --> 00:44:05,960
the same was 50 years ago

1110
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:09,480
so the park is actually the site of the

1111
00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:12,090
sighting that is not about right yes it

1112
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:14,730
is actually the actual Road the bridge

1113
00:44:18,650 --> 00:44:16,890
is a reconstruction of the original at

1114
00:44:23,210 --> 00:44:18,660
common and his mother and grandmother

1115
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:23,220
and brother went across it was they had

1116
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:24,240
to rebuild because there were some

1117
00:44:28,250 --> 00:44:26,010
people some kids or something that I

1118
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:28,260
heard this you know burned it in 1994

1119
00:44:31,970 --> 00:44:30,210
NATO rebuilt it some of the old bridge

1120
00:44:34,370 --> 00:44:31,980
is still there but but when you go

1121
00:44:38,570 --> 00:44:34,380
across the bridge on our side the UFO

1122
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:38,580
Park were Tom and the UFO I guess

1123
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:41,130
corporation my right tom we call it yeah

1124
00:44:46,100 --> 00:44:44,370
it's it's actually an on it's a

1125
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:46,110
non-for-profit park now that I actually

1126
00:44:51,710 --> 00:44:49,650
own right and there's been like Travis

1127
00:44:54,530 --> 00:44:51,720
Walton firing sky and so many other

1128
00:44:56,420 --> 00:44:54,540
people have donated to it I've donated I

1129
00:44:58,970 --> 00:44:56,430
put a brand new historical plaque that

1130
00:45:01,250 --> 00:44:58,980
will be going up there as I I think you

1131
00:45:03,350 --> 00:45:01,260
had a picture of it up there a while ago

1132
00:45:04,700 --> 00:45:03,360
and that's going to be up as you come

1133
00:45:05,870 --> 00:45:04,710
off the bridge on our site this the

1134
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:05,880
first thing that people are going to see

1135
00:45:09,830 --> 00:45:08,490
now when you go down the road and it

1136
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:09,840
goes down to the other end you can go to

1137
00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:12,000
the two corn fields that are a part of

1138
00:45:15,710 --> 00:45:14,250
the very important story to this yeah

1139
00:45:19,580 --> 00:45:15,720
that's a part you really took an

1140
00:45:22,430 --> 00:45:19,590
interest in right yeah we can we can

1141
00:45:25,220 --> 00:45:22,440
completely tell you and my family has

1142
00:45:27,300 --> 00:45:25,230
been there my wife's family Diana's

1143
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:27,310
family's been there and they

1144
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:30,610
actually seen the corn that it was the

1145
00:45:35,370 --> 00:45:33,610
stalks or something like 15 feet to 20

1146
00:45:37,650 --> 00:45:35,380
feet tall the normal stalks about 10 to

1147
00:45:39,540 --> 00:45:37,660
12 when you take out it you're a corn

1148
00:45:41,550 --> 00:45:39,550
you pull it off it's about almost half

1149
00:45:44,130 --> 00:45:41,560
the size your arm that was pretty

1150
00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:44,140
strange because right across the the

1151
00:45:49,500 --> 00:45:46,000
road on the other side it's perfectly

1152
00:45:50,700 --> 00:45:49,510
normal size and there's been scientists

1153
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:50,710
have been over there and checked the

1154
00:45:54,900 --> 00:45:52,810
ground and the ground has got an unusual

1155
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:54,910
sense of radioactivity you wish to call

1156
00:45:59,460 --> 00:45:56,890
it yeah there is somebody too there was

1157
00:46:04,110 --> 00:45:59,470
somebody there there today with a Geiger

1158
00:46:06,390 --> 00:46:04,120
counter do you know that yes it's just

1159
00:46:08,190 --> 00:46:06,400
amazing with with what's over there

1160
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:08,200
and we want people to we want to

1161
00:46:12,630 --> 00:46:10,480
preserve this Park I mean the 50th

1162
00:46:15,060 --> 00:46:12,640
anniversary is coming up and and signing

1163
00:46:16,590 --> 00:46:15,070
those documents which you might want to

1164
00:46:19,110 --> 00:46:16,600
know next was one of the most important

1165
00:46:20,490 --> 00:46:19,120
things to get this established right

1166
00:46:22,250 --> 00:46:20,500
yeah I'm glad you brought that up I also

1167
00:46:26,100 --> 00:46:22,260
wanted to bring up something interesting

1168
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:26,110
we talked about before the show Kevin

1169
00:46:36,900 --> 00:46:31,570
and that is how weird the area appears

1170
00:46:38,370 --> 00:46:36,910
to be after the incident occurred wanted

1171
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:38,380
to know if you can elaborate a little

1172
00:46:45,060 --> 00:46:42,370
bit regarding how the crops in the area

1173
00:46:48,900 --> 00:46:45,070
appear to be a different different

1174
00:46:53,730 --> 00:46:48,910
altogether and then also he just if you

1175
00:46:55,710 --> 00:46:53,740
could fill us in on on that aspect we

1176
00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:55,720
there different times of the season Tom

1177
00:47:01,350 --> 00:46:58,560
and I and we have a lot of people

1178
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:01,360
Thailand leon and michael esposito who

1179
00:47:05,250 --> 00:47:03,490
takes pictures directly for us to let us

1180
00:47:07,530 --> 00:47:05,260
know how things are looking when i can't

1181
00:47:10,020 --> 00:47:07,540
get out there or tom can't be there but

1182
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:10,030
i'll tell you one thing it's unusual

1183
00:47:14,570 --> 00:47:12,610
when you go out to the yeah just to jump

1184
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:14,580
in sorry to interrupt that judge but

1185
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:16,930
we've got some of the photographs of

1186
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:19,090
that Michael took in the slideshow no

1187
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:20,290
you wanted to give him credit for that

1188
00:47:24,900 --> 00:47:23,650
yes I want to give Tom and I we need we

1189
00:47:27,540 --> 00:47:24,910
want to give credit to michael esposito

1190
00:47:29,820 --> 00:47:27,550
he is a fantastic recover and he does a

1191
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:29,830
lot of this to update tom and i about

1192
00:47:33,750 --> 00:47:31,450
what's going on because he lives a

1193
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:33,760
little closer that i'm about you know 12

1194
00:47:38,740 --> 00:47:35,440
15 minutes away in time of course it's

1195
00:47:44,410 --> 00:47:41,440
takes great pictures he really does but

1196
00:47:46,240 --> 00:47:44,420
there's one more thing I can jump into

1197
00:47:49,210 --> 00:47:46,250
there's also I don't know if you

1198
00:47:50,890 --> 00:47:49,220
remember the the glowing of the of the

1199
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:50,900
the people's sneakers they say they see

1200
00:47:55,630 --> 00:47:54,050
in there and they the the spots of that

1201
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:55,640
nothing will grow and then you go across

1202
00:47:57,730 --> 00:47:57,050
the way and everything's normal you go

1203
00:47:59,349 --> 00:47:57,740
in the other side of the road

1204
00:48:01,180 --> 00:47:59,359
everything's normally going outside and

1205
00:48:03,970 --> 00:48:01,190
then there was crop circles that were

1206
00:48:09,580 --> 00:48:03,980
shown up in 2012/2013 remember all that

1207
00:48:11,740 --> 00:48:09,590
right about that my research my better

1208
00:48:13,750 --> 00:48:11,750
half she had her sister came up here

1209
00:48:16,450 --> 00:48:13,760
with her family last year or the year

1210
00:48:18,970 --> 00:48:16,460
before and they came up and we took them

1211
00:48:20,980 --> 00:48:18,980
out there to look at this and she felt

1212
00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:20,990
very strange when she walked out there

1213
00:48:24,970 --> 00:48:22,640
and I've never known anybody to say that

1214
00:48:27,130 --> 00:48:24,980
before when she walked out there she got

1215
00:48:30,670 --> 00:48:27,140
unstable in certain spots with his

1216
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:30,680
circles down there and you do feel a

1217
00:48:34,540 --> 00:48:33,170
sense of Quirinus I guess you could call

1218
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:34,550
it when you walked out there and yeah an

1219
00:48:37,300 --> 00:48:35,810
undertow and undertow

1220
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:37,310
right when undertow thank you I couldn't

1221
00:48:41,460 --> 00:48:39,530
think of the word when you walk down the

1222
00:48:44,230 --> 00:48:41,470
road

1223
00:48:46,270 --> 00:48:44,240
contest to this he has a weird feeling

1224
00:48:49,990 --> 00:48:46,280
when he goes down that road he feels

1225
00:48:51,700 --> 00:48:50,000
very uncomfortable I can't tell you what

1226
00:48:53,620 --> 00:48:51,710
he feels but he will tell you about it

1227
00:48:55,660 --> 00:48:53,630
but but when you go down the road my

1228
00:48:57,609 --> 00:48:55,670
family walk you can walk the entire road

1229
00:49:00,280 --> 00:48:57,619
it's the exact same road and you can

1230
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:00,290
come to the telephone pole where I

1231
00:49:07,390 --> 00:49:03,770
believe Tom is and as his family's car

1232
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:07,400
had come to a halt mm-hmm and and and

1233
00:49:11,170 --> 00:49:09,050
and then you can look out to the field

1234
00:49:13,810 --> 00:49:11,180
which hasn't changed where this the

1235
00:49:17,490 --> 00:49:13,820
craft was like I would say northwest of

1236
00:49:20,950 --> 00:49:17,500
the road where it flew just above the

1237
00:49:22,570 --> 00:49:20,960
treetops there um and and when you walk

1238
00:49:24,820 --> 00:49:22,580
down this road you get a sense of

1239
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:24,830
history that you can't get anywhere else

1240
00:49:28,210 --> 00:49:26,930
because it's like I guess you could say

1241
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:28,220
it's like going to Gettysburg and you

1242
00:49:31,620 --> 00:49:30,290
walk the battlefields but that's almost

1243
00:49:34,589 --> 00:49:31,630
humans

1244
00:49:38,050 --> 00:49:34,599
it's almost spooky and it shouldn't be

1245
00:49:39,730 --> 00:49:38,060
giving creeps yeah people tend to feel

1246
00:49:41,589 --> 00:49:39,740
uncomfortable at night when they go like

1247
00:49:43,810 --> 00:49:41,599
you said there was i I've seen people

1248
00:49:46,570 --> 00:49:43,820
you can see it when you wear your shoes

1249
00:49:49,060 --> 00:49:46,580
or sneakers and you go down the stet the

1250
00:49:52,030 --> 00:49:49,070
left side where all this occurred you're

1251
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:52,040
it's been known that your sneaker shoes

1252
00:49:57,050 --> 00:49:52,530
have

1253
00:49:59,240 --> 00:49:57,060
in a weird way yeah and um yep ah the

1254
00:50:02,390 --> 00:49:59,250
Groves was there from paranormal after

1255
00:50:03,350 --> 00:50:02,400
party has on a show for three years she

1256
00:50:06,170 --> 00:50:03,360
was there

1257
00:50:08,030 --> 00:50:06,180
she'll contest to it Sean pain Stowe was

1258
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:08,040
there she'll say the same thing that

1259
00:50:12,530 --> 00:50:10,410
everything White was glowing or this guy

1260
00:50:15,380 --> 00:50:12,540
Paul who was just delivering the benches

1261
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:15,390
got so freaked out he left and this is a

1262
00:50:19,490 --> 00:50:17,130
guy was just delivering some sponsored

1263
00:50:21,230 --> 00:50:19,500
benches so there is something really

1264
00:50:23,540 --> 00:50:21,240
weird there and I'll two up just to

1265
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:23,550
piggyback ok the pictures I've got to

1266
00:50:27,260 --> 00:50:25,440
pick some of the pictures up going to

1267
00:50:29,630 --> 00:50:27,270
Tina marrow right now you see that one

1268
00:50:31,100 --> 00:50:29,640
how eerie that looks out there it

1269
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:31,110
doesn't look eerie at all in the

1270
00:50:35,990 --> 00:50:33,690
photographs I mean it just I've got the

1271
00:50:38,660 --> 00:50:36,000
bridge up right now follow the bridge

1272
00:50:40,790 --> 00:50:38,670
that's you when you go down if you got

1273
00:50:44,300 --> 00:50:40,800
the picture you have the road you'll see

1274
00:50:45,980 --> 00:50:44,310
how it looks and the fields I thought it

1275
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:45,990
looked eerie I don't care what Frank

1276
00:50:52,910 --> 00:50:51,090
says it you just need to go out there

1277
00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:52,920
with us and we'll give you a tour I know

1278
00:50:56,390 --> 00:50:54,720
we're going to give tours and everything

1279
00:50:58,700 --> 00:50:56,400
to people I heard people come everyday

1280
00:51:02,390 --> 00:50:58,710
when I was here in this freezing cold

1281
00:51:05,240 --> 00:51:02,400
winter filming chronicles about it and

1282
00:51:07,310 --> 00:51:05,250
magic markers episode and I'm telling

1283
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:07,320
you a bunch of people came out here they

1284
00:51:11,540 --> 00:51:09,330
came from Utah and Nevada just to see

1285
00:51:14,180 --> 00:51:11,550
this site now people wish they could get

1286
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:14,190
a souvenir or something so if people

1287
00:51:18,830 --> 00:51:16,530
actually go out in the field and take

1288
00:51:24,410 --> 00:51:18,840
some of the soil it's really interesting

1289
00:51:27,590 --> 00:51:24,420
yeah um I wanted to ask a more pointed

1290
00:51:31,100 --> 00:51:27,600
question and that is both of you were

1291
00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:31,110
kids at the time this event happened

1292
00:51:38,900 --> 00:51:35,250
September 1st 1969 how old were both of

1293
00:51:42,170 --> 00:51:38,910
you when this occurred well I guess I

1294
00:51:44,810 --> 00:51:42,180
would have to have been about 13 or

1295
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:44,820
something like that between 10 and 13

1296
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:47,850
and I remember because the property that

1297
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:52,650
I owned now is 190 acres is actually on

1298
00:51:56,900 --> 00:51:54,210
part of the site where this so-called

1299
00:51:59,390 --> 00:51:56,910
crap was was actually spotted by our

1300
00:52:02,420 --> 00:51:59,400
neighbors next door and their neighbor

1301
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:02,430
and I Jimmy and I went up the top of the

1302
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:04,050
hill to go get some cattle that had been

1303
00:52:07,550 --> 00:52:05,010
missing

1304
00:52:11,240 --> 00:52:07,560
and you want me to tell you what we

1305
00:52:13,370 --> 00:52:11,250
found up there okay all right well this

1306
00:52:15,770 --> 00:52:13,380
is true we went up it was close to

1307
00:52:17,300 --> 00:52:15,780
getting dark and but it was still light

1308
00:52:18,950 --> 00:52:17,310
enough to go up and be there the cattle

1309
00:52:20,990 --> 00:52:18,960
had come down and they were bringing

1310
00:52:22,820 --> 00:52:21,000
them off the hill there the mountain

1311
00:52:24,470 --> 00:52:22,830
actually and they came there's a path

1312
00:52:27,260 --> 00:52:24,480
across the Hollenbeck River over there

1313
00:52:29,660 --> 00:52:27,270
and Jimmy and I were asked by his father

1314
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:29,670
George to go up there and check out the

1315
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:31,890
cattle there were two were missing we

1316
00:52:34,490 --> 00:52:33,450
went up to the top of the old took us a

1317
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:34,500
few minutes when we're having a good

1318
00:52:38,420 --> 00:52:36,930
time and as we got to the top rise I

1319
00:52:42,020 --> 00:52:38,430
looked to the left and here was it one

1320
00:52:44,060 --> 00:52:42,030
dead cow that had been mutilated to such

1321
00:52:46,550 --> 00:52:44,070
an extent that I've never seen anything

1322
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:46,560
like that as a kid of my age and but it

1323
00:52:49,790 --> 00:52:48,000
was a weird color it was more of a

1324
00:52:52,130 --> 00:52:49,800
pinkish color wasn't that like you know

1325
00:52:56,420 --> 00:52:52,140
a gory type of red you would see from

1326
00:52:59,240 --> 00:52:56,430
something being eaten by a an animal or

1327
00:53:01,730 --> 00:52:59,250
a bear or a coyote or a wolf it was

1328
00:53:04,099 --> 00:53:01,740
weird it scared me so much that Jamie

1329
00:53:06,260 --> 00:53:04,109
and I ran back down to the house

1330
00:53:08,300 --> 00:53:06,270
the second cattle was found later when

1331
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:08,310
he went up there I know on the right

1332
00:53:10,910 --> 00:53:09,330
side but we didn't stick around

1333
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:10,920
immediately at that age you look you

1334
00:53:14,900 --> 00:53:13,050
need know what the heck is going on here

1335
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:14,910
you know and you run down the hill and

1336
00:53:20,030 --> 00:53:17,490
as we ran up and got to the farmhouse of

1337
00:53:22,430 --> 00:53:20,040
George and Jimmy's home we looked up and

1338
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:22,440
the whole family looked up and saw what

1339
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:24,480
seemed to be the type of craft that the

1340
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:27,330
the the reeds saw on the same area this

1341
00:53:31,070 --> 00:53:28,530
was all the sound the reading the time

1342
00:53:34,130 --> 00:53:31,080
and it was very dim light but it scared

1343
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:34,140
the living heck out of me and I ran down

1344
00:53:37,940 --> 00:53:36,000
and I thought I was seeing things and I

1345
00:53:40,010 --> 00:53:37,950
didn't want to talk about it but he

1346
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:40,020
immediately called the police and other

1347
00:53:47,359 --> 00:53:42,210
people call the police and before you

1348
00:53:48,830 --> 00:53:47,369
know it everybody saw it within that

1349
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:48,840
area and I was people are calling it the

1350
00:53:53,780 --> 00:53:50,850
WSB us radio they were calling in to the

1351
00:53:56,390 --> 00:53:53,790
police the local police and I mean it

1352
00:53:58,580 --> 00:53:56,400
got people weren't panic so we know that

1353
00:54:00,560 --> 00:53:58,590
other people saw whatever it was I can't

1354
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:00,570
explain - it was but just seeing the

1355
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:02,130
dead cattle alone was enough to scare a

1356
00:54:08,330 --> 00:54:04,890
kid of my age out of his mind and oh

1357
00:54:11,540 --> 00:54:08,340
yeah the attention that the memorial is

1358
00:54:14,900 --> 00:54:11,550
brought back to this case got a lot of

1359
00:54:17,270 --> 00:54:14,910
media attention I think at my news feed

1360
00:54:18,340 --> 00:54:17,280
group on Facebook I must oppose that a

1361
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:18,350
half dozen difference

1362
00:54:25,750 --> 00:54:21,050
about it as it spread around the world

1363
00:54:28,270 --> 00:54:25,760
over a period of time how how did all

1364
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:28,280
that happen I mean how did this story

1365
00:54:34,240 --> 00:54:31,090
get such your worldwide attention I

1366
00:54:37,030 --> 00:54:34,250
think Tom you could maybe you could fill

1367
00:54:38,590 --> 00:54:37,040
in I can fit in after the fact well I

1368
00:54:41,020 --> 00:54:38,600
think you know to be honest with you a

1369
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:41,030
minutes it's never it's never been a

1370
00:54:47,710 --> 00:54:44,210
quiet case it was a quiet it didn't make

1371
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:47,720
the news like Betty and Barney Hill or

1372
00:54:51,910 --> 00:54:49,370
Travis Walton back in the day because

1373
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:51,920
first of all this is a this is a town

1374
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:54,410
that didn't even have a middle school

1375
00:54:59,260 --> 00:54:57,050
you went from freshman high school I

1376
00:55:03,430 --> 00:54:59,270
mean it was a village it was a very

1377
00:55:05,500 --> 00:55:03,440
small town at couple thousand people

1378
00:55:07,720 --> 00:55:05,510
roughly a couple thousand three thousand

1379
00:55:11,050 --> 00:55:07,730
even now I think it's three thousand

1380
00:55:13,330 --> 00:55:11,060
yeah but it was outside a one of the

1381
00:55:15,070 --> 00:55:13,340
more affluent towns which was Great

1382
00:55:17,140 --> 00:55:15,080
Barrington which was I think rated the

1383
00:55:20,860 --> 00:55:17,150
number one small town by Smithsonian

1384
00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:20,870
back in 2012 so what you had you had a

1385
00:55:25,180 --> 00:55:22,730
mix of people you had a lot of New

1386
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:25,190
Yorkers going into Tanglewood and music

1387
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:26,930
and analysis restaurant was there I grew

1388
00:55:32,770 --> 00:55:29,930
up not far for story Musgrave so we you

1389
00:55:35,110 --> 00:55:32,780
know you had a lot of tourism in the

1390
00:55:37,780 --> 00:55:35,120
Stockbridge music in Frog Hollow thing

1391
00:55:39,700 --> 00:55:37,790
going on and then but to get there you

1392
00:55:41,470 --> 00:55:39,710
had to go through this farming community

1393
00:55:43,300 --> 00:55:41,480
and you know my mother being a single

1394
00:55:44,290 --> 00:55:43,310
parent really at the time didn't

1395
00:55:45,850 --> 00:55:44,300
couldn't afford to go to Great

1396
00:55:47,350 --> 00:55:45,860
Barrington really so she bought land and

1397
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:47,360
Sheffield and that's where this whole

1398
00:55:53,740 --> 00:55:50,330
thing started so would that said you

1399
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:53,750
know it was always talk in the area

1400
00:55:58,930 --> 00:55:55,970
Great Barrington Sheffield locals from

1401
00:56:00,970 --> 00:55:58,940
you know the suspenders and bad breath

1402
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:00,980
and poor dental hygiene and tattoos and

1403
00:56:05,410 --> 00:56:02,690
all this kind of thing that just didn't

1404
00:56:06,670 --> 00:56:05,420
have a pot to piss in that had a mad at

1405
00:56:08,470 --> 00:56:06,680
the world you know and they were

1406
00:56:09,670 --> 00:56:08,480
starting fights with the New Yorkers

1407
00:56:11,590 --> 00:56:09,680
that were coming through to go to

1408
00:56:13,930 --> 00:56:11,600
Stockbridge and music and untangle wood

1409
00:56:17,410 --> 00:56:13,940
and it stopped at a restaurant to have a

1410
00:56:22,750 --> 00:56:17,420
bite to eat so this feuding this arguing

1411
00:56:25,570 --> 00:56:22,760
these this this this dynamic kept it

1412
00:56:28,780 --> 00:56:25,580
alive all the time because it just never

1413
00:56:30,610 --> 00:56:28,790
seemed to go away and then in the 80s

1414
00:56:32,170 --> 00:56:30,620
when it was mentioned at the UN and of

1415
00:56:34,870 --> 00:56:32,180
course the passage of my father

1416
00:56:37,060 --> 00:56:34,880
in the 80s and then you know it was just

1417
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:37,070
a lot of people came out and supported

1418
00:56:41,370 --> 00:56:39,410
my father because those who knew this

1419
00:56:43,630 --> 00:56:41,380
happened knew that his efforts were

1420
00:56:46,210 --> 00:56:43,640
genuine that this was nothing that

1421
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:46,220
anything more than to say hey look this

1422
00:56:53,470 --> 00:56:49,610
happened and he confided in Blackman and

1423
00:56:55,330 --> 00:56:53,480
and supported 33 426 and the you know

1424
00:56:56,830 --> 00:56:55,340
the Mohammad Robert and thing where you

1425
00:56:59,800 --> 00:56:56,840
know Stanton Friedman was there and

1426
00:57:02,050 --> 00:56:59,810
Linda Morton how was there and and so it

1427
00:57:04,090 --> 00:57:02,060
was you know kind of got Riya you know

1428
00:57:07,150 --> 00:57:04,100
attention was drawn back to it again and

1429
00:57:09,220 --> 00:57:07,160
then because of that you know next thing

1430
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:09,230
we're on Fox and then Discovery Channel

1431
00:57:14,410 --> 00:57:12,050
does the season 1 episode 1 episode of

1432
00:57:16,450 --> 00:57:14,420
you know alien mysteries and everybody

1433
00:57:18,220 --> 00:57:16,460
was like up in arms about that one

1434
00:57:20,710 --> 00:57:18,230
because what they showed wasn't really

1435
00:57:22,930 --> 00:57:20,720
what happened they focused on you know

1436
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:22,940
they mixed in the the Kokomo boom from

1437
00:57:27,340 --> 00:57:24,890
Indiana with our case so people were

1438
00:57:29,770 --> 00:57:27,350
like what was all that about and so I

1439
00:57:30,940 --> 00:57:29,780
had a lot of you know people calling me

1440
00:57:32,860 --> 00:57:30,950
like I don't know why they would do

1441
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:32,870
something like that and and because

1442
00:57:36,070 --> 00:57:34,250
that's you know you tell them what

1443
00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:36,080
happened and you and you go out on a

1444
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:37,760
limb and you just cross your fingers and

1445
00:57:41,620 --> 00:57:39,170
hope that they tell it accurately I mean

1446
00:57:43,540 --> 00:57:41,630
a Prada tension to it but it and so

1447
00:57:45,010 --> 00:57:43,550
that's when everybody started you know

1448
00:57:46,300 --> 00:57:45,020
come went on board and say and I

1449
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:46,310
remember this thing you know once you

1450
00:57:49,870 --> 00:57:48,290
talk to me talk to my sister talk and so

1451
00:57:51,910 --> 00:57:49,880
the next thing you know the Historical

1452
00:57:53,380 --> 00:57:51,920
Society is getting bombarded with stuff

1453
00:57:55,330 --> 00:57:53,390
because they actually had posted

1454
00:57:57,610 --> 00:57:55,340
something was run or they didn't post it

1455
00:57:59,020 --> 00:57:57,620
but they interviewed in the paper and it

1456
00:58:03,100 --> 00:57:59,030
ran in the Berkshire record and the

1457
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:03,110
Berkshire you know Eagle Pittsfield and

1458
00:58:10,750 --> 00:58:07,330
then this is really interesting too so

1459
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:10,760
one of my best friends lend more know

1460
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:13,690
who have known since I was a teenager

1461
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:17,450
lives in Avon Connecticut he's a he

1462
00:58:22,150 --> 00:58:19,490
collects art antiques

1463
00:58:24,340 --> 00:58:22,160
he's sculpts you know he's got a lot of

1464
00:58:25,780 --> 00:58:24,350
sculptures in his backyard but he's also

1465
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:25,790
the brother of a Hollywood movie

1466
00:58:32,140 --> 00:58:28,010
director named Lewis mono who produced

1467
00:58:34,870 --> 00:58:32,150
bats with Lou Diamond Phillips retro sha

1468
00:58:35,710 --> 00:58:34,880
and of course he did the werewolf the

1469
00:58:37,860 --> 00:58:35,720
Beast within us

1470
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:37,870
not that long ago which did very well

1471
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:41,450
Manny also and Lewis Moore now also is

1472
00:58:46,210 --> 00:58:43,850
lives next door to Oliver Stone in Santa

1473
00:58:48,849 --> 00:58:46,220
Monica California so when all this will

1474
00:58:50,260 --> 00:58:48,859
happening Lenny was like you know you

1475
00:58:51,790 --> 00:58:50,270
get to get you got to get your hands

1476
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:51,800
around this thing and have it told

1477
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:54,410
honestly and preserve it because these

1478
00:58:58,210 --> 00:58:55,970
people that saw it are still alive today

1479
00:58:59,770 --> 00:58:58,220
they still live here and some of these

1480
00:59:01,960 --> 00:58:59,780
people are getting a little offended

1481
00:59:03,849 --> 00:59:01,970
that something that they tell their

1482
00:59:07,300 --> 00:59:03,859
family or they share with their family

1483
00:59:09,609 --> 00:59:07,310
is is not reflected fairly when they

1484
00:59:12,070 --> 00:59:09,619
turn on you know History Channel or

1485
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:12,080
Travel Channel your and so Lenny's like

1486
00:59:16,210 --> 00:59:13,730
you should talk to my brother maybe he

1487
00:59:19,390 --> 00:59:16,220
can help you know tell this in an honest

1488
00:59:21,550 --> 00:59:19,400
grounded fashion with actual testimony

1489
00:59:23,260 --> 00:59:21,560
from these people before they they're

1490
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:23,270
not here anymore I love you know people

1491
00:59:28,150 --> 00:59:25,250
are passing is you know they're most of

1492
00:59:30,099 --> 00:59:28,160
the witnesses are under 80s and so sure

1493
00:59:32,140 --> 00:59:30,109
enough I was flown to Santa Monica

1494
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:32,150
California I went to Pete's coffee shop

1495
00:59:35,950 --> 00:59:33,770
and sat down with Louis been friends

1496
00:59:38,410 --> 00:59:35,960
with his brother since I was 19 and so

1497
00:59:40,570 --> 00:59:38,420
he contacted WSB s radio and the

1498
00:59:41,859 --> 00:59:40,580
Berkshire Eagle and said you know what

1499
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:41,869
if you guys can do a really good

1500
00:59:48,310 --> 00:59:44,570
documentary or a book and get the get

1501
00:59:50,829 --> 00:59:48,320
the facts and get this on record I will

1502
00:59:53,380 --> 00:59:50,839
do your film I will do the movie I will

1503
00:59:55,060 --> 00:59:53,390
tell it honestly and then nobody because

1504
00:59:57,430 --> 00:59:55,070
this needs to be preserved people have

1505
00:59:58,810 --> 00:59:57,440
lost their lives around it a lot of

1506
01:00:00,670 --> 00:59:58,820
people are passing today a lot of people

1507
01:00:02,140 --> 01:00:00,680
take this seriously you've got governors

1508
01:00:02,980 --> 01:00:02,150
back and you judges back in you

1509
01:00:05,470 --> 01:00:02,990
lieutenant

1510
01:00:08,589 --> 01:00:05,480
you know governor's backing you radio

1511
01:00:10,540 --> 01:00:08,599
stations lawyers doctors historians

1512
01:00:12,910 --> 01:00:10,550
going out on a limb for you and then you

1513
01:00:15,250 --> 01:00:12,920
do a TV show and it focuses on the on

1514
01:00:17,530 --> 01:00:15,260
the on the dramatic part of it the the

1515
01:00:19,300 --> 01:00:17,540
you know the fantastic and then they

1516
01:00:21,070 --> 01:00:19,310
want to add more fantastic but then they

1517
01:00:23,170 --> 01:00:21,080
leave out the facts like you were asking

1518
01:00:25,450 --> 01:00:23,180
me what's with the monument well how did

1519
01:00:27,370 --> 01:00:25,460
this happen why did you know how did

1520
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:27,380
this citation get signed to me that's

1521
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:29,810
that's the remarkable part of this I'm

1522
01:00:32,589 --> 01:00:31,250
no different than a lot of other people

1523
01:00:34,630 --> 01:00:32,599
how many people out there listening to

1524
01:00:36,910 --> 01:00:34,640
this show right now have seen a UFO I'm

1525
01:00:39,099 --> 01:00:36,920
not alone in that in there you know what

1526
01:00:42,310 --> 01:00:39,109
we bring to the table is that we are

1527
01:00:44,950 --> 01:00:42,320
preserving of UFO history and that needs

1528
01:00:47,079 --> 01:00:44,960
to come first because that's what I can

1529
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:47,089
give to this community I can give this

1530
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:49,010
community roots I can give it a

1531
01:00:53,470 --> 01:00:51,050
foundation well that's where we are

1532
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:53,480
right now and and that's why someone had

1533
01:00:56,109 --> 01:00:55,010
said to me the other day want you to do

1534
01:00:57,190 --> 01:00:56,119
this show because I turned it down I'm

1535
01:00:58,780 --> 01:00:57,200
like I don't want to do it I'm not gonna

1536
01:00:59,859 --> 01:00:58,790
benefit from it it's only gonna make it

1537
01:01:02,109 --> 01:00:59,869
worse I'm only gonna have

1538
01:01:05,499 --> 01:01:02,119
more to explain like even ancient aliens

1539
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:05,509
them yeah it is I wanted to bring that

1540
01:01:10,210 --> 01:01:08,690
that was an important part I mean

1541
01:01:12,940 --> 01:01:10,220
everything that what the thing is about

1542
01:01:16,239 --> 01:01:12,950
this is is the fact that it's so

1543
01:01:18,940 --> 01:01:16,249
historically significant and it has such

1544
01:01:22,029 --> 01:01:18,950
a park as we have now is it's a

1545
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:22,039
historical site call it a sacred site

1546
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:24,170
call it a shrine to whatever but at the

1547
01:01:29,380 --> 01:01:26,210
point is it's something that happened

1548
01:01:31,569 --> 01:01:29,390
fifty years ago this year and it's still

1549
01:01:33,339 --> 01:01:31,579
the same and what you need to do it's

1550
01:01:36,190 --> 01:01:33,349
just like anything else in the culture

1551
01:01:38,739 --> 01:01:36,200
today there are people trying to do

1552
01:01:41,410 --> 01:01:38,749
remove American history or try to ignore

1553
01:01:43,930 --> 01:01:41,420
it or forget it this is a key this is

1554
01:01:46,210 --> 01:01:43,940
the first time in history that anything

1555
01:01:48,759 --> 01:01:46,220
like this has ever been totally totally

1556
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:48,769
made Signum it and I and as he said Tom

1557
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:51,890
said a god a governor for a state has

1558
01:01:57,819 --> 01:01:54,130
now inducted it as part of their history

1559
01:02:00,220 --> 01:01:57,829
you have a judge who is me who has

1560
01:02:03,279 --> 01:02:00,230
researched it as as a professional

1561
01:02:06,069 --> 01:02:03,289
historian and I realized that this thing

1562
01:02:08,470 --> 01:02:06,079
was something that was not of the

1563
01:02:11,769 --> 01:02:08,480
regular it was something that that that

1564
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:11,779
needed to be preserved and after and I

1565
01:02:15,999 --> 01:02:13,730
sir you I've done a lot of research I've

1566
01:02:19,479 --> 01:02:16,009
seen every document there is on it and

1567
01:02:20,589 --> 01:02:19,489
to put my seal and to me to sign

1568
01:02:23,079 --> 01:02:20,599
something like that

1569
01:02:25,329 --> 01:02:23,089
is making my integrity in other words

1570
01:02:27,099 --> 01:02:25,339
when I signed that you can't change it

1571
01:02:30,220 --> 01:02:27,109
there's no law in the world that can

1572
01:02:32,109 --> 01:02:30,230
change when a judge or a justice or

1573
01:02:34,900 --> 01:02:32,119
anybody signed something says this

1574
01:02:38,380 --> 01:02:34,910
happened this is fact you can't change

1575
01:02:41,430 --> 01:02:38,390
it becomes a Memorandum of law and you

1576
01:02:45,249 --> 01:02:41,440
guys did do the ancient alien show

1577
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:45,259
recently and how was that presentation

1578
01:02:48,430 --> 01:02:46,730
compared to the one that you weren't too

1579
01:02:50,019 --> 01:02:48,440
happy about how did all that come about

1580
01:02:53,049 --> 01:02:50,029
and how did you like the finished

1581
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:53,059
product well let me start with that Tom

1582
01:02:57,700 --> 01:02:54,650
because you know a little better I'd

1583
01:03:00,579 --> 01:02:57,710
like to say it as as my part in it was a

1584
01:03:04,630 --> 01:03:00,589
was unique to the point where I actually

1585
01:03:08,410 --> 01:03:04,640
people got to see and hear me say that

1586
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:08,420
this is a historical event that took

1587
01:03:13,540 --> 01:03:11,930
place I mean with so many witnesses

1588
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:13,550
that's one of the by what I said

1589
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:15,890
in the movie with so many witnesses how

1590
01:03:19,870 --> 01:03:17,450
can you say something didn't happen how

1591
01:03:22,870 --> 01:03:19,880
did you say it didn't it's not true the

1592
01:03:24,850 --> 01:03:22,880
facts are there study the facts you make

1593
01:03:26,860 --> 01:03:24,860
the choice you decide what you do or

1594
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:26,870
don't want to believe but the point is

1595
01:03:31,210 --> 01:03:28,850
the facts are there they're not made-up

1596
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:31,220
they're real and to be on a movie to

1597
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:34,010
talk about it or TV show excuse me via a

1598
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:37,130
TV show the to be who you are and to

1599
01:03:41,470 --> 01:03:39,650
discuss it and show people what you see

1600
01:03:43,450 --> 01:03:41,480
and what you're researching and what

1601
01:03:45,730 --> 01:03:43,460
you're trying to tell the world about um

1602
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:45,740
it's it's a quite an honor for me

1603
01:03:53,380 --> 01:03:49,610
personally I'm I'm very excited about

1604
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:53,390
doing I inducted with Tom and a huge

1605
01:03:58,030 --> 01:03:56,210
cast of great people I think the movies

1606
01:04:01,440 --> 01:03:58,040
going to be one of the biggest of its

1607
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:01,450
time I think more people going to

1608
01:04:05,830 --> 01:04:04,010
realize that these things happen in the

1609
01:04:07,810 --> 01:04:05,840
50s and 60s it's and they're gonna

1610
01:04:09,730 --> 01:04:07,820
accept the fact you know you know how it

1611
01:04:11,620 --> 01:04:09,740
is when like somebody does a movie about

1612
01:04:13,330 --> 01:04:11,630
something that most people don't like or

1613
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:13,340
don't want to talk about as soon as that

1614
01:04:18,130 --> 01:04:16,010
movie comes out BAM everybody is

1615
01:04:20,110 --> 01:04:18,140
interested they want to know more and I

1616
01:04:23,260 --> 01:04:20,120
think this is what is going to do it for

1617
01:04:27,010 --> 01:04:23,270
the world and and it's also if I may say

1618
01:04:28,990 --> 01:04:27,020
Tom it's good for Tom Reed and his

1619
01:04:31,150 --> 01:04:29,000
family they can finally put this thing

1620
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:31,160
to rest and saying you know what guys

1621
01:04:37,750 --> 01:04:34,490
it's part of history we are accepted

1622
01:04:41,110 --> 01:04:37,760
enjoy or don't it's all up to you hmm

1623
01:04:42,610 --> 01:04:41,120
yeah and it speaks for everybody and and

1624
01:04:45,340 --> 01:04:42,620
I will say this would the the ancient

1625
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:45,350
aliens thing you know they did a pretty

1626
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:47,930
good job I was a you know I've known

1627
01:04:51,850 --> 01:04:50,690
Mike bar for a while and so I'm glad

1628
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:51,860
that they sent him out

1629
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:55,490
but there was one mistake in it and I

1630
01:05:00,160 --> 01:04:57,290
don't want to focus on at the bad part

1631
01:05:01,990 --> 01:05:00,170
but because they did a great job and

1632
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:02,000
they they really focused on the citation

1633
01:05:07,510 --> 01:05:03,890
and the governor you probably saw the

1634
01:05:09,700 --> 01:05:07,520
clip I did but okay well there was a lot

1635
01:05:13,210 --> 01:05:09,710
more said that got that got it didn't

1636
01:05:15,340 --> 01:05:13,220
get you know picked up but but the this

1637
01:05:18,130 --> 01:05:15,350
ball of light never stopped our car and

1638
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:18,140
I and and I'll tell you why that for

1639
01:05:23,380 --> 01:05:20,810
those who saw it why that happened we

1640
01:05:25,750 --> 01:05:23,390
saw this ball of light rise up from the

1641
01:05:26,980 --> 01:05:25,760
water which I described you know very

1642
01:05:27,460 --> 01:05:26,990
well with the show and I did a good job

1643
01:05:29,530 --> 01:05:27,470
with it

1644
01:05:33,460 --> 01:05:29,540
this ball of light was about four times

1645
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:33,470
I saw eyes of a Volkswagen Beetle and at

1646
01:05:38,140 --> 01:05:35,930
first it was very self-contained and but

1647
01:05:40,809 --> 01:05:38,150
there were these rods of light that I

1648
01:05:44,620 --> 01:05:40,819
that came out like two rods of light it

1649
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:44,630
was almost like they were almost

1650
01:05:49,150 --> 01:05:46,970
perfectly round I mean they just knew

1651
01:05:52,599 --> 01:05:49,160
they were just these it almost then I

1652
01:05:54,490 --> 01:05:52,609
told him it was a fry my mistake I said

1653
01:05:57,670 --> 01:05:54,500
it reminded me as a kid of an upside

1654
01:06:00,280 --> 01:05:57,680
down you know or like ice-cream cone

1655
01:06:02,740 --> 01:06:00,290
right how I was a big ball of ice cream

1656
01:06:05,230 --> 01:06:02,750
on top and had these lights that power

1657
01:06:07,990 --> 01:06:05,240
you know powered into the water and it

1658
01:06:10,420 --> 01:06:08,000
rose up well those lights didn't stay

1659
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:10,430
there they they went away and it was

1660
01:06:13,990 --> 01:06:12,050
just a ball of light and they've got

1661
01:06:15,460 --> 01:06:14,000
this whole thing with a sugar cone

1662
01:06:17,829 --> 01:06:15,470
looking thing going down if you which is

1663
01:06:20,230 --> 01:06:17,839
okay you know the point is there but

1664
01:06:22,690 --> 01:06:20,240
those but those rods of light and I said

1665
01:06:25,470 --> 01:06:22,700
I think maybe to that light flash and I

1666
01:06:28,510 --> 01:06:25,480
was 10 my mother however was 29 and and

1667
01:06:30,010 --> 01:06:28,520
my grandmother was you know in her 40s

1668
01:06:31,930 --> 01:06:30,020
and my brother was with me so all four

1669
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:31,940
of us saw the thing and it was a warm

1670
01:06:35,740 --> 01:06:33,170
night it was like 90 degrees for

1671
01:06:37,809 --> 01:06:35,750
September night which is really really

1672
01:06:40,420 --> 01:06:37,819
hot and so we had the windows open too

1673
01:06:42,670 --> 01:06:40,430
so we scoped clear night was warm it was

1674
01:06:44,740 --> 01:06:42,680
still and we just stopped and we looked

1675
01:06:47,349 --> 01:06:44,750
at this thing and it was it was just

1676
01:06:50,349 --> 01:06:47,359
mind-blowing I mean it was bright and

1677
01:06:52,300 --> 01:06:50,359
then and then of course as it went along

1678
01:06:53,829 --> 01:06:52,310
this tree line which is where this corn

1679
01:06:56,829 --> 01:06:53,839
grows really high now which is also

1680
01:06:59,020 --> 01:06:56,839
remarkable in itself my brother looked

1681
01:07:01,240 --> 01:06:59,030
off to the right side of the car about

1682
01:07:03,069 --> 01:07:01,250
the passenger side and this waterway

1683
01:07:07,690 --> 01:07:03,079
kind of circles around almost almost

1684
01:07:10,569 --> 01:07:07,700
like you know like a not an L but it

1685
01:07:12,609 --> 01:07:10,579
wraps around it's almost a horseshoe to

1686
01:07:14,349 --> 01:07:12,619
some degree and my brother looked over

1687
01:07:16,270 --> 01:07:14,359
the right side the car with where this

1688
01:07:18,250 --> 01:07:16,280
will utter wrapped around and sure

1689
01:07:20,559 --> 01:07:18,260
enough there was an another ball like

1690
01:07:23,140 --> 01:07:20,569
this or a severe or how we want to word

1691
01:07:25,359 --> 01:07:23,150
it but this one was orange like more of

1692
01:07:27,550 --> 01:07:25,369
an orange so he had this white bright

1693
01:07:30,220 --> 01:07:27,560
ball of light to the left and you had

1694
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:30,230
this orangey ball off to the right and

1695
01:07:34,420 --> 01:07:32,930
so we kept going a little further and my

1696
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:34,430
mother got to this telephone pole which

1697
01:07:37,630 --> 01:07:36,170
is you know because the pole was there

1698
01:07:38,980 --> 01:07:37,640
back in a day they worked on the pole

1699
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:38,990
there was a little more room to pull off

1700
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:40,610
to the road right so she stopped

1701
01:07:45,250 --> 01:07:42,610
and we were looking out the left window

1702
01:07:47,470 --> 01:07:45,260
expecting to see this big white ball of

1703
01:07:49,690 --> 01:07:47,480
light come back and we didn't see it

1704
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:49,700
again but what we saw in the distance

1705
01:07:57,370 --> 01:07:53,570
was this huge hovering craft and I in it

1706
01:08:00,490 --> 01:07:57,380
and this day the closest thing that I

1707
01:08:03,700 --> 01:08:00,500
can you know mirror this to or reflect

1708
01:08:05,770 --> 01:08:03,710
and say that was what we saw was like

1709
01:08:07,270 --> 01:08:05,780
the top of a turtle show not with the

1710
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:07,280
whole thing under the head cause help

1711
01:08:13,300 --> 01:08:10,010
but the way it looked and more that more

1712
01:08:14,950 --> 01:08:13,310
of almost a tarnished brownish color and

1713
01:08:16,540 --> 01:08:14,960
on the bottom of it it sure enough I've

1714
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:16,550
had some lights coming out of it and

1715
01:08:19,900 --> 01:08:17,930
there were some lights down there that

1716
01:08:21,579 --> 01:08:19,910
you know maybe like a spotlight thing

1717
01:08:25,630 --> 01:08:21,589
here and there but you couldn't miss it

1718
01:08:27,490 --> 01:08:25,640
so we're like where's that ball of light

1719
01:08:29,079 --> 01:08:27,500
right cuz you know like okay what's

1720
01:08:30,940 --> 01:08:29,089
going on so you're looking at all three

1721
01:08:32,710 --> 01:08:30,950
moving pieces you're trying to say okay

1722
01:08:35,290 --> 01:08:32,720
where are we then all of a sudden it hit

1723
01:08:36,790 --> 01:08:35,300
us we felt like we were underwater yeah

1724
01:08:39,790 --> 01:08:36,800
you know when you hear a tapping

1725
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:39,800
underwater like those you don't ever

1726
01:08:44,710 --> 01:08:42,410
you're kind of everything's muted but

1727
01:08:46,750 --> 01:08:44,720
then the sounds are amplified that's

1728
01:08:49,180 --> 01:08:46,760
what it was like and to be honest with

1729
01:08:51,610 --> 01:08:49,190
you as we started to slow down the car

1730
01:08:53,230 --> 01:08:51,620
it was like those stones that were

1731
01:08:55,420 --> 01:08:53,240
hitting the bottom under side of the

1732
01:08:58,329 --> 01:08:55,430
fender walls as the tires move you know

1733
01:09:00,099 --> 01:08:58,339
a slow came to a stop up you could hear

1734
01:09:02,260 --> 01:09:00,109
that really loud I remember that like

1735
01:09:04,870 --> 01:09:02,270
why is that so loud you know and and

1736
01:09:11,890 --> 01:09:04,880
then also those like you know it was

1737
01:09:13,810 --> 01:09:11,900
like this this silence this so yeah I

1738
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:13,820
don't know how accurate this I've got

1739
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:17,210
did a frame grab from the artistic

1740
01:09:21,849 --> 01:09:19,970
rendering of well actually they did a

1741
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:21,859
full animation I just did one frame grab

1742
01:09:27,340 --> 01:09:24,650
so how close when you're in the car

1743
01:09:29,110 --> 01:09:27,350
about how far away is this object looks

1744
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:29,120
like it's certainly within a hundred

1745
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:32,810
feet well what what what are you looking

1746
01:09:38,230 --> 01:09:34,130
at what frame would picture you like

1747
01:09:40,780 --> 01:09:38,240
that looks like the sphere with the

1748
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:40,790
light cones coming down over water and

1749
01:09:48,250 --> 01:09:45,050
the sedan is off to the left okay that's

1750
01:09:50,110 --> 01:09:48,260
the H and Aliens clip yep okay first of

1751
01:09:52,060 --> 01:09:50,120
all we were in a station wagon okay not

1752
01:09:53,740 --> 01:09:52,070
that that matters but I mean it it kind

1753
01:09:56,930 --> 01:09:53,750
of matters

1754
01:09:58,459 --> 01:09:56,940
yeah well the reason my we at my

1755
01:10:00,530 --> 01:09:58,469
grandmother actually saw it first was

1756
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:00,540
because I was giving my brother candy in

1757
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:03,210
the back see and she turned around to

1758
01:10:06,050 --> 01:10:04,650
say you couldn't give it to him

1759
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:06,060
oh my not because of the windows in the

1760
01:10:10,250 --> 01:10:07,290
back of the station wagons when she

1761
01:10:11,990 --> 01:10:10,260
first actually saw this thing but that

1762
01:10:13,820 --> 01:10:12,000
that rendering for the most part is

1763
01:10:16,900 --> 01:10:13,830
accurate I would say that's a good

1764
01:10:19,010 --> 01:10:16,910
except you know those rods of light

1765
01:10:20,419 --> 01:10:19,020
disappeared but that I would say that's

1766
01:10:22,580 --> 01:10:20,429
a good shot I mean that was pretty

1767
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:22,590
frigging on the money I'd give him that

1768
01:10:29,570 --> 01:10:25,890
one yeah you said that there was an

1769
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:29,580
orange light sometimes people report

1770
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:32,010
amber colored lights was it orange or

1771
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:37,050
amber I would say it was more well I you

1772
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:38,610
know it's kind of hard to say because it

1773
01:10:43,490 --> 01:10:40,530
was switching colors a little bit was

1774
01:10:46,010 --> 01:10:43,500
almost like a it reminded me almost a

1775
01:10:48,229 --> 01:10:46,020
little bit like you know like a dull son

1776
01:10:51,290 --> 01:10:48,239
you know it had you know I've mentioned

1777
01:10:53,780 --> 01:10:51,300
it as being amber or goldish or orange

1778
01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:53,790
but it was quite a ways away and that

1779
01:10:59,750 --> 01:10:56,250
was 10 years old but it I would say to

1780
01:11:01,760 --> 01:10:59,760
be his honest as I can I'd say that it

1781
01:11:07,580 --> 01:11:01,770
kind of it kind of moved in color I

1782
01:11:10,100 --> 01:11:07,590
think I was just you know i i i I would

1783
01:11:12,290 --> 01:11:10,110
say it was like a reddish orange you

1784
01:11:15,350 --> 01:11:12,300
know was pretty much what I remember the

1785
01:11:18,669 --> 01:11:15,360
most part and what what's the reaction

1786
01:11:20,930 --> 01:11:18,679
in the car I mean it's a yourself you're

1787
01:11:23,870 --> 01:11:20,940
an older brother or a younger brother

1788
01:11:26,689 --> 01:11:23,880
younger younger ok younger brother and

1789
01:11:28,130 --> 01:11:26,699
your mom and your grandmom and that's

1790
01:11:30,650 --> 01:11:28,140
the four of you in the car then is that

1791
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:30,660
about right yeah so what's that what's

1792
01:11:33,850 --> 01:11:33,090
the general reaction then when you spot

1793
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:33,860
this thing

1794
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:36,810
well first saw we were just like

1795
01:11:40,490 --> 01:11:38,730
memorized my mother was still driving

1796
01:11:41,780 --> 01:11:40,500
but she's looking out and wants to see

1797
01:11:43,100 --> 01:11:41,790
what it is so she's trying to find a

1798
01:11:44,870 --> 01:11:43,110
spot to pull the car over but we're only

1799
01:11:46,820 --> 01:11:44,880
going like 15 miles an hour to begin

1800
01:11:50,030 --> 01:11:46,830
with and it's light actually passed our

1801
01:11:52,580 --> 01:11:50,040
car so the the feeling at the top I'm

1802
01:11:55,790 --> 01:11:52,590
when we I think we were sharp before we

1803
01:11:57,770 --> 01:11:55,800
felt this feeling come over us which I

1804
01:11:59,689 --> 01:11:57,780
thought it was electromagnetic anomalies

1805
01:12:00,830 --> 01:11:59,699
as I look back because the neurons might

1806
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:00,840
have been affected you know that kind of

1807
01:12:04,939 --> 01:12:02,489
thing and there was magnetic anomalies

1808
01:12:07,490 --> 01:12:04,949
in the area that we read later on but I

1809
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:07,500
you know as we got in between

1810
01:12:13,250 --> 01:12:10,770
this triangle if you will as 3-piece you

1811
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:13,260
know was all we're moving together i I

1812
01:12:19,460 --> 01:12:16,890
think that we were in the drove into

1813
01:12:21,470 --> 01:12:19,470
some type of a field is what I think

1814
01:12:24,590 --> 01:12:21,480
happened because we got all the sudden

1815
01:12:27,350 --> 01:12:24,600
we weren't sharp you know we me

1816
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:27,360
personally I mean I I remember feeling

1817
01:12:33,650 --> 01:12:31,770
very out of it and and sluggish and and

1818
01:12:36,050 --> 01:12:33,660
I'm looking at this thing like I said we

1819
01:12:37,820 --> 01:12:36,060
were all looking at the the craft over

1820
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:37,830
the field and then all of a sudden the

1821
01:12:42,140 --> 01:12:40,650
car lit up which is why HN aliens showed

1822
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:42,150
the ball of light in front of our car

1823
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:44,610
but our car was already stopped but the

1824
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:46,890
car did in you know all of a sudden I

1825
01:12:50,390 --> 01:12:48,210
could see the dashboard I could see the

1826
01:12:52,550 --> 01:12:50,400
back of my my my mother's head I could

1827
01:12:54,350 --> 01:12:52,560
see her hair I could see everything to

1828
01:12:56,210 --> 01:12:54,360
you know at the time we had blue

1829
01:12:57,740 --> 01:12:56,220
interior in the station wagon and it was

1830
01:12:59,300 --> 01:12:57,750
just like someone had thrown on a dome

1831
01:13:01,370 --> 01:12:59,310
light in the place it's really bright

1832
01:13:03,290 --> 01:13:01,380
light and then bang you know there was

1833
01:13:05,330 --> 01:13:03,300
this eruption of crickets and KD ins and

1834
01:13:07,250 --> 01:13:05,340
in bangla that was last thing I remember

1835
01:13:09,530 --> 01:13:07,260
being in the car and then we all

1836
01:13:12,860 --> 01:13:09,540
remember you know being in some type of

1837
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:12,870
a you know like an industrial area if

1838
01:13:18,590 --> 01:13:14,730
you will and I've mentioned of airplane

1839
01:13:19,970 --> 01:13:18,600
hangar because again that is how I the

1840
01:13:21,650 --> 01:13:19,980
best way for me to paint a picture to

1841
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:21,660
someone would be like I didn't empty

1842
01:13:26,930 --> 01:13:24,090
airplane hangar but I do remember that

1843
01:13:28,850 --> 01:13:26,940
there were tubes of light where the wall

1844
01:13:31,670 --> 01:13:28,860
met the ceiling it was almost if you're

1845
01:13:33,140 --> 01:13:31,680
if I were to try to describe that light

1846
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:33,150
it would be like a single fluorescent

1847
01:13:38,450 --> 01:13:36,690
tube maybe you know and then a space and

1848
01:13:40,070 --> 01:13:38,460
a tube in a space in a tube but a space

1849
01:13:42,770 --> 01:13:40,080
in a tube and I remember off to the

1850
01:13:44,540 --> 01:13:42,780
right when I first kind of came to and I

1851
01:13:46,250 --> 01:13:44,550
used that word because I don't remember

1852
01:13:48,410 --> 01:13:46,260
getting there I don't all the first

1853
01:13:51,230 --> 01:13:48,420
thing I remember is like sliding off

1854
01:13:54,380 --> 01:13:51,240
some type of a cart or table and off to

1855
01:13:56,030 --> 01:13:54,390
the right were like these you know they

1856
01:13:57,680 --> 01:13:56,040
you know would look like silver tables

1857
01:13:59,660 --> 01:13:57,690
that I reference being in school with

1858
01:14:02,030 --> 01:13:59,670
these to put the slide projector on or

1859
01:14:03,470 --> 01:14:02,040
something and it was really kind of

1860
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:03,480
quick to me but I remember just being

1861
01:14:08,510 --> 01:14:05,610
grabbed really hard on my left arm and

1862
01:14:11,930 --> 01:14:08,520
being taken out a door and into another

1863
01:14:13,700 --> 01:14:11,940
area and I remember you know this piece

1864
01:14:15,590 --> 01:14:13,710
coming down from the ceiling and this

1865
01:14:17,420 --> 01:14:15,600
table I was sitting on rising and I

1866
01:14:19,669 --> 01:14:17,430
remember seeing what looked like a you

1867
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:19,679
know an ant to some degree and

1868
01:14:22,970 --> 01:14:21,449
and you know I remember running I ran

1869
01:14:24,890 --> 01:14:22,980
out of this corner of this room and I

1870
01:14:26,450 --> 01:14:24,900
got into this big open area where there

1871
01:14:29,209 --> 01:14:26,460
was like markings on the floor I was

1872
01:14:30,770 --> 01:14:29,219
like being at an empty Walmart and so

1873
01:14:32,930 --> 01:14:30,780
I've told people well there was no way

1874
01:14:36,770 --> 01:14:32,940
that this was that craft because where I

1875
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:36,780
was was just too big it was way too big

1876
01:14:43,189 --> 01:14:41,250
and and so the to speed you know jump

1877
01:14:45,919 --> 01:14:43,199
forward a little bit when we came to in

1878
01:14:47,660 --> 01:14:45,929
the car we all came out of this thing at

1879
01:14:50,180 --> 01:14:47,670
different times you know it wasn't like

1880
01:14:52,399 --> 01:14:50,190
bang we was all instantly like we're all

1881
01:14:54,229 --> 01:14:52,409
you know having this conversation again

1882
01:14:56,030 --> 01:14:54,239
and like oh we were you know did we lose

1883
01:14:58,580 --> 01:14:56,040
three hours you know it wasn't like that

1884
01:15:01,040 --> 01:14:58,590
it was my grandmother was the first one

1885
01:15:02,780 --> 01:15:01,050
to come - now here's the kicker and this

1886
01:15:04,939 --> 01:15:02,790
is what gets confusing for me and not a

1887
01:15:07,729 --> 01:15:04,949
lot of it isn't but I'm just saying what

1888
01:15:11,060 --> 01:15:07,739
what really has me asking you know the

1889
01:15:13,100 --> 01:15:11,070
obvious questions my mother had the car

1890
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:13,110
running we had stopped we never turned

1891
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:14,489
the car off the lights were still the

1892
01:15:17,180 --> 01:15:15,810
headlights were still on a car when we

1893
01:15:20,180 --> 01:15:17,190
were looking at this thing when my

1894
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:20,190
grandmother was now in the driver's seat

1895
01:15:24,350 --> 01:15:22,530
and no one knows how my mother and

1896
01:15:28,729 --> 01:15:24,360
grandmother seemed to get River Hurst in

1897
01:15:31,310 --> 01:15:28,739
the car the ignition was off and and so

1898
01:15:32,990 --> 01:15:31,320
she had to actually start the car my

1899
01:15:35,380 --> 01:15:33,000
mother was not responding

1900
01:15:38,899 --> 01:15:35,390
my brother's head was on my right knee

1901
01:15:40,939 --> 01:15:38,909
he wasn't even moving I was out of it

1902
01:15:42,950 --> 01:15:40,949
apparently so she goes down the road

1903
01:15:44,750 --> 01:15:42,960
just enough to turn around and starts

1904
01:15:45,830 --> 01:15:44,760
heading back to town because after we

1905
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:45,840
had left our diner

1906
01:15:50,090 --> 01:15:48,090
my grandmother smoked Arrington's and

1907
01:15:51,649 --> 01:15:50,100
she went to the store next door which

1908
01:15:55,370 --> 01:15:51,659
was silks which is still there today by

1909
01:15:57,260 --> 01:15:55,380
the way ran into silks for help but she

1910
01:15:59,030 --> 01:15:57,270
didn't really know help for what nobody

1911
01:16:01,700 --> 01:15:59,040
was responding you know I need some help

1912
01:16:03,530 --> 01:16:01,710
but she was also and not herself I mean

1913
01:16:05,270 --> 01:16:03,540
I've mentioned that she was walking kind

1914
01:16:07,580 --> 01:16:05,280
aim lessly she was kind of still draghi

1915
01:16:10,340 --> 01:16:07,590
her out of it and so when she got out of

1916
01:16:12,620 --> 01:16:10,350
the car I think it was the slamming of

1917
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:12,630
the door that woke me because I was

1918
01:16:16,820 --> 01:16:14,370
still behind a driving receipt and

1919
01:16:18,669 --> 01:16:16,830
that's the side that she got out so I'm

1920
01:16:21,169 --> 01:16:18,679
assuming maybe that woke me so when I

1921
01:16:24,530 --> 01:16:21,179
started to come to I saw her walking

1922
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:24,540
into silk store and so I got out you

1923
01:16:27,530 --> 01:16:25,890
know I was no man in the car was

1924
01:16:30,020 --> 01:16:27,540
responding and so I got out I'm kind of

1925
01:16:32,180 --> 01:16:30,030
out of it still and she walks into silks

1926
01:16:33,350 --> 01:16:32,190
and she goes right by the clerk right by

1927
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:33,360
the clerk which average

1928
01:16:36,500 --> 01:16:35,010
she went in to see the clerk and she

1929
01:16:38,450 --> 01:16:36,510
goes to the back of the store she gets

1930
01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:38,460
all tied up and he's carriages and

1931
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:40,170
strollers and bicycles and I'm trying to

1932
01:16:44,300 --> 01:16:41,730
grab her arm saying come on and anyway I

1933
01:16:45,709 --> 01:16:44,310
go we gotta go we gotta go and and you

1934
01:16:47,390 --> 01:16:45,719
know she's just kind of out of it that

1935
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:47,400
she breaks down and she starts kind of

1936
01:16:52,340 --> 01:16:49,770
shivering and crying and and so the guy

1937
01:16:53,810 --> 01:16:52,350
from silk store came over toward he's

1938
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:53,820
like you know what's going on he okay

1939
01:16:57,439 --> 01:16:56,010
and and she kind of walks out song I

1940
01:16:58,910 --> 01:16:57,449
didn't my mother isn't like walking

1941
01:17:01,040 --> 01:16:58,920
around in front of the car now so she's

1942
01:17:02,870 --> 01:17:01,050
up and I think at that point she just

1943
01:17:04,910 --> 01:17:02,880
didn't know what to say and got in the

1944
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:04,920
car and drove his home and it was the

1945
01:17:09,379 --> 01:17:06,810
next day that that came over the radio

1946
01:17:11,570 --> 01:17:09,389
station about the the craft with all the

1947
01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:11,580
witnesses first thing in the morning and

1948
01:17:18,109 --> 01:17:15,449
so now we're like okay so we just this

1949
01:17:19,970 --> 01:17:18,119
is what happened last night guys and and

1950
01:17:21,740 --> 01:17:19,980
that created some issues and then the

1951
01:17:23,510 --> 01:17:21,750
you know Eddie galati's father who was a

1952
01:17:25,879 --> 01:17:23,520
chief of police had to come in because

1953
01:17:28,490 --> 01:17:25,889
people were having you know obviously

1954
01:17:30,919 --> 01:17:28,500
strong opinions about a lot of that and

1955
01:17:33,260 --> 01:17:30,929
and again that's another way that there

1956
01:17:35,390 --> 01:17:33,270
were not police reports I wouldn't say

1957
01:17:37,459 --> 01:17:35,400
but police statements that you know

1958
01:17:40,189 --> 01:17:37,469
carried through later on and and why

1959
01:17:44,629 --> 01:17:40,199
this seems to have such a historic paper

1960
01:17:48,859 --> 01:17:44,639
trail locally locally I have a question

1961
01:17:51,950 --> 01:17:48,869
a lot of these cases regarding insectoid

1962
01:17:55,180 --> 01:17:51,960
like creatures that are reported by

1963
01:17:58,520 --> 01:17:55,190
abductees contact these or experiencers

1964
01:18:02,750 --> 01:17:58,530
they have described these creatures from

1965
01:18:05,660 --> 01:18:02,760
the from the neck up as humanoid and

1966
01:18:08,390 --> 01:18:05,670
praying mantis the rest of the way down

1967
01:18:10,669 --> 01:18:08,400
Oh what would you describe these

1968
01:18:13,390 --> 01:18:10,679
creatures like regarding this insect by

1969
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:13,400
creatures what did they look like to you

1970
01:18:19,609 --> 01:18:16,050
well I have pictures of them I think on

1971
01:18:21,890 --> 01:18:19,619
the site too but to me to me it looked

1972
01:18:24,050 --> 01:18:21,900
like an ant I mean it had the they had

1973
01:18:28,700 --> 01:18:24,060
an head about the size of the football

1974
01:18:30,580 --> 01:18:28,710
oh and you know as and everybody saw it

1975
01:18:34,609 --> 01:18:30,590
in my family wasn't like was just me and

1976
01:18:36,890 --> 01:18:34,619
the legs of it were almost like bamboo I

1977
01:18:39,290 --> 01:18:36,900
remember being at Florida where I lived

1978
01:18:43,010 --> 01:18:39,300
for a very long time that when I saw a

1979
01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:43,020
bamboo it reminded me of of the limbs

1980
01:18:47,370 --> 01:18:46,530
and legs and the body was more like

1981
01:18:53,939 --> 01:18:47,380
almost like a

1982
01:18:58,589 --> 01:18:53,949
somewhat like a fat or teardrop and you

1983
01:19:03,540 --> 01:18:58,599
know it had you know is the head of it

1984
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:03,550
was like a brownish or like you know I'd

1985
01:19:07,979 --> 01:19:05,170
like a yeah look almost look a yellow or

1986
01:19:11,089 --> 01:19:07,989
reddish yellow the closest thing I can

1987
01:19:15,959 --> 01:19:11,099
find to it is like a fire ant head and

1988
01:19:19,050 --> 01:19:15,969
so when my brother and I and and he my

1989
01:19:20,850 --> 01:19:19,060
mother and grandmother at the time we we

1990
01:19:22,770 --> 01:19:20,860
drew this thing as a kid and we you know

1991
01:19:25,410 --> 01:19:22,780
we all looked at it and that sketch I've

1992
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:25,420
had forever and then about 10 years ago

1993
01:19:30,689 --> 01:19:29,050
I hired a an illustrator to to put it

1994
01:19:33,060 --> 01:19:30,699
together and I think it's on on the

1995
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:33,070
website now but it doesn't really look a

1996
01:19:36,510 --> 01:19:34,810
whole lot like what other people

1997
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:36,520
described it doesn't look like this

1998
01:19:41,850 --> 01:19:38,530
praying mantis type it was very

1999
01:19:43,770 --> 01:19:41,860
different you know at it there was two

2000
01:19:45,780 --> 01:19:43,780
of them - we didn't just see one and it

2001
01:19:49,830 --> 01:19:45,790
was about four feet tall and it seemed

2002
01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:49,840
higher and lower itself just by you know

2003
01:19:55,020 --> 01:19:51,489
its stance it would just raise and lower

2004
01:19:57,300 --> 01:19:55,030
and and I turned its head I don't know

2005
01:19:59,819 --> 01:19:57,310
if it was robotic I don't know if it was

2006
01:20:04,140 --> 01:19:59,829
alive I don't know any I don't know what

2007
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:04,150
I I know it was very cold to me and I

2008
01:20:09,959 --> 01:20:06,730
saw it from about you know six or seven

2009
01:20:12,030 --> 01:20:09,969
feet away and and that that's the one

2010
01:20:15,629 --> 01:20:12,040
thing that has been difficult for me

2011
01:20:18,780 --> 01:20:15,639
into to make sense of or what it was I

2012
01:20:20,729 --> 01:20:18,790
mean it I the thing is - I was 10 years

2013
01:20:22,709 --> 01:20:20,739
old and I was extremely frightened at

2014
01:20:26,850 --> 01:20:22,719
that point because this calming feeling

2015
01:20:28,410 --> 01:20:26,860
that we had didn't hold true afterwards

2016
01:20:30,390 --> 01:20:28,420
I mean when I was in this hanger type

2017
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:30,400
thing or wherever I was this hallway

2018
01:20:36,330 --> 01:20:33,210
which was very tall walls very narrow

2019
01:20:40,350 --> 01:20:36,340
you know I was pretty sharp then I

2020
01:20:45,390 --> 01:20:40,360
remember this vividly and and I was

2021
01:20:48,750 --> 01:20:45,400
scared I ran and and so well I saw this

2022
01:20:51,930 --> 01:20:48,760
thing clear conscious mind I mean this

2023
01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:51,940
was nothing that I was you know this

2024
01:20:57,479 --> 01:20:54,489
wasn't a hypnosis thing this wasn't you

2025
01:20:59,609 --> 01:20:57,489
know and in some weird state I mean I

2026
01:21:01,080 --> 01:20:59,619
was as clear-headed as I'm talking to

2027
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:01,090
you right now on the phone

2028
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:03,370
and the rest of the family basically is

2029
01:21:08,670 --> 01:21:05,770
a confirming everything you said or did

2030
01:21:09,630 --> 01:21:08,680
you not talk about it or no fit we've

2031
01:21:12,450 --> 01:21:09,640
been talking about this our whole lives

2032
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:12,460
I mean we know we didn't talk about it

2033
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:14,610
when my father's running for office

2034
01:21:19,230 --> 01:21:17,530
State but that's not something you want

2035
01:21:23,370 --> 01:21:19,240
you can't you know opposing candidate to

2036
01:21:25,500 --> 01:21:23,380
pick up on but but we all saw pretty

2037
01:21:27,270 --> 01:21:25,510
much the same thing I would the best way

2038
01:21:29,340 --> 01:21:27,280
to describe this is is that there was

2039
01:21:30,510 --> 01:21:29,350
four of us and it's kind of like it

2040
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:30,520
let's say you're in the mall you know

2041
01:21:36,570 --> 01:21:34,570
and you know one of you is in the food

2042
01:21:38,930 --> 01:21:36,580
court someone else is in Sears which is

2043
01:21:41,100 --> 01:21:38,940
no longer in business or JC Penney or

2044
01:21:42,900 --> 01:21:41,110
what have you the Apple store whatever

2045
01:21:45,330 --> 01:21:42,910
and almost let's say hypothetically a

2046
01:21:48,180 --> 01:21:45,340
bomb goes off in the mall well you all

2047
01:21:50,010 --> 01:21:48,190
see what happens but you all see it from

2048
01:21:52,980 --> 01:21:50,020
a different perspective right you know

2049
01:21:55,050 --> 01:21:52,990
and that's kind of what this was like I

2050
01:21:58,050 --> 01:21:55,060
heard my mother's voices I heard her

2051
01:21:59,610 --> 01:21:58,060
yelling for me I don't remember seeing

2052
01:22:01,530 --> 01:21:59,620
my brother next to me but there are

2053
01:22:04,170 --> 01:22:01,540
times Matthew who says he remembers

2054
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:04,180
seeing me for for a second and and my

2055
01:22:08,910 --> 01:22:07,330
grandmother remembers or her my late

2056
01:22:11,070 --> 01:22:08,920
grandmother remembered a lot of this too

2057
01:22:12,780 --> 01:22:11,080
and so we all remembered this thing from

2058
01:22:14,550 --> 01:22:12,790
a different perspective and that's kind

2059
01:22:16,620 --> 01:22:14,560
of Oh for the years how we put it

2060
01:22:18,150 --> 01:22:16,630
together we spent a lot of time sitting

2061
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:18,160
around a dinner table and my father was

2062
01:22:21,750 --> 01:22:19,930
a lawyer so he was always looking for

2063
01:22:23,790 --> 01:22:21,760
you know okay to just say this to just

2064
01:22:26,010 --> 01:22:23,800
say that I mean he was analytical jot it

2065
01:22:28,170 --> 01:22:26,020
down write this down keep records and we

2066
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:28,180
did because he was all about a paper

2067
01:22:31,950 --> 01:22:30,130
trails locked us up when the time is

2068
01:22:34,380 --> 01:22:31,960
right we're gonna write about it and

2069
01:22:37,230 --> 01:22:34,390
when he mentioned it in 2006 he was gone

2070
01:22:39,210 --> 01:22:37,240
within you know two months so but my

2071
01:22:42,450 --> 01:22:39,220
father had a voice right my father there

2072
01:22:43,860 --> 01:22:42,460
if he wanted to you know get in touch

2073
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:43,870
with the hartford courant he picked up

2074
01:22:47,220 --> 01:22:44,650
the phonee

2075
01:22:49,500 --> 01:22:47,230
it wasn't like someone who has a Milan

2076
01:22:51,810 --> 01:22:49,510
agency in Florida and wants to make you

2077
01:22:53,340 --> 01:22:51,820
know expects a fair coverage by The

2078
01:22:55,650 --> 01:22:53,350
Hartford Courant a thousand miles away

2079
01:22:58,350 --> 01:22:55,660
but my dad bang if he picked up the

2080
01:23:00,300 --> 01:22:58,360
phone they listened and and I think that

2081
01:23:01,500 --> 01:23:00,310
that intimidated people plus if you sell

2082
01:23:04,440 --> 01:23:01,510
the records that he brought back from

2083
01:23:06,690 --> 01:23:04,450
the United Nations man I've got them in

2084
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:06,700
my in a briefcase better fact it's on my

2085
01:23:12,150 --> 01:23:09,370
I'm talking to my bedroom right now and

2086
01:23:14,590 --> 01:23:12,160
I have them a matter of fact my hand was

2087
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:14,600
just on them and I've heard that

2088
01:23:19,900 --> 01:23:17,210
that's a scene in the movie - right yeah

2089
01:23:22,150 --> 01:23:19,910
well part of it yeah hey Tom Tom before

2090
01:23:25,390 --> 01:23:22,160
you get into that I have about 20 or 30

2091
01:23:27,190 --> 01:23:25,400
questions to ask you okay so I'm just

2092
01:23:30,850 --> 01:23:27,200
gonna fire them off if you want to say

2093
01:23:33,010 --> 01:23:30,860
yes or no or elaborate that's fine my

2094
01:23:36,430 --> 01:23:33,020
questions regarding what occurred to you

2095
01:23:38,440 --> 01:23:36,440
are occasionally humanoids are spotted

2096
01:23:41,050 --> 01:23:38,450
inside these craft or outside of the

2097
01:23:43,420 --> 01:23:41,060
craft were there humans or humanoids or

2098
01:23:47,020 --> 01:23:43,430
other creatures other than the kind that

2099
01:23:50,740 --> 01:23:47,030
you witnessed well I would say that I

2100
01:23:53,290 --> 01:23:50,750
would say yes there were the when I do

2101
01:23:57,220 --> 01:23:53,300
remember that when I was grabbed by my

2102
01:23:58,630 --> 01:23:57,230
arm I would say that they moved the

2103
01:24:01,990 --> 01:23:58,640
person or individual or entity that

2104
01:24:04,660 --> 01:24:02,000
grabbed me I would say if I had to label

2105
01:24:07,870 --> 01:24:04,670
it that it was more like a humanoid it

2106
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:07,880
was a shorter I was I was small I was

2107
01:24:15,220 --> 01:24:10,370
ten this was not a towering person over

2108
01:24:17,830 --> 01:24:15,230
me a very strong person and I'd say you

2109
01:24:21,340 --> 01:24:17,840
know when he looks bald maybe a little

2110
01:24:26,410 --> 01:24:21,350
oriental if I were to say or Asian you

2111
01:24:29,500 --> 01:24:26,420
know the it did not resemble it was

2112
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:29,510
looked human but off human okay I

2113
01:24:34,480 --> 01:24:31,130
wouldn't say that it looked like a gray

2114
01:24:36,010 --> 01:24:34,490
now okay and then you said the other

2115
01:24:38,710 --> 01:24:36,020
creatures were about four feet tall how

2116
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:38,720
tall was this one that you're describing

2117
01:24:44,110 --> 01:24:41,930
now that grabbed me probably fire if he

2118
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:44,120
now what I said about the other ones I

2119
01:24:47,980 --> 01:24:45,290
didn't say it was four I said it would

2120
01:24:50,380 --> 01:24:47,990
raise and lower itself and at times my

2121
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:50,390
brother saw it it lowered to his level

2122
01:24:54,580 --> 01:24:52,850
when I saw it it raised so I would say

2123
01:24:59,020 --> 01:24:54,590
that it could have raised and when at

2124
01:25:00,340 --> 01:24:59,030
standing full in full you know from you

2125
01:25:02,710 --> 01:25:00,350
know extended fully I would say maybe

2126
01:25:04,630 --> 01:25:02,720
even six or seven feet I think you I

2127
01:25:06,490 --> 01:25:04,640
thought you said that the insect-like

2128
01:25:09,430 --> 01:25:06,500
creatures appeared to be about four feet

2129
01:25:11,740 --> 01:25:09,440
tall to you is that correct when they

2130
01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:11,750
squatted yes when they raised themselves

2131
01:25:16,780 --> 01:25:15,170
no okay so if they were just standing on

2132
01:25:18,490 --> 01:25:16,790
the ground in front of you how told you

2133
01:25:21,580 --> 01:25:18,500
suspect they could have been at least

2134
01:25:23,500 --> 01:25:21,590
six feet at least six feet tall so that

2135
01:25:26,740 --> 01:25:23,510
means the craft was pretty tall on the

2136
01:25:28,060 --> 01:25:26,750
inside do you think oh crap on the

2137
01:25:30,220 --> 01:25:28,070
inside are you kidding me

2138
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:30,230
was probably eight I didn't say that now

2139
01:25:34,480 --> 01:25:32,570
I'm not saying I was in a craft see this

2140
01:25:37,540 --> 01:25:34,490
is the part I was not in a craft at this

2141
01:25:40,690 --> 01:25:37,550
point and I was I don't believe I was

2142
01:25:43,300 --> 01:25:40,700
ever in that craft I've never ever said

2143
01:25:45,850 --> 01:25:43,310
that I said I was in a like a hangar

2144
01:25:48,940 --> 01:25:45,860
that was much bigger than the craft what

2145
01:25:52,480 --> 01:25:48,950
this had an amazing tall ceilings when

2146
01:25:54,370 --> 01:25:52,490
you say you were in a hangar what what

2147
01:25:56,650 --> 01:25:54,380
is a definition of a hangar to you so

2148
01:26:00,610 --> 01:25:56,660
our listeners understand that means like

2149
01:26:03,460 --> 01:26:00,620
an airplane hangar okay and so a big big

2150
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:03,470
room basically yeah a hangar sized room

2151
01:26:10,420 --> 01:26:07,850
okay okay and so see this is I think

2152
01:26:12,010 --> 01:26:10,430
where some of the confusion lies for

2153
01:26:16,180 --> 01:26:12,020
some of these folks that are listening

2154
01:26:17,710 --> 01:26:16,190
to just short and you describe a hangar

2155
01:26:20,590 --> 01:26:17,720
and rightfully so cuz that's where you

2156
01:26:24,010 --> 01:26:20,600
were but and that makes sense

2157
01:26:25,570 --> 01:26:24,020
but and then you describe the craft of

2158
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:25,580
which you might describe a little bit

2159
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:28,730
more later it's up to you but then you

2160
01:26:32,830 --> 01:26:31,130
say you have missing time also do you

2161
01:26:37,240 --> 01:26:32,840
feel that at any point you were actually

2162
01:26:38,470 --> 01:26:37,250
possibly in the crap yeah you know the

2163
01:26:40,570 --> 01:26:38,480
be honest with you I don't know I don't

2164
01:26:46,180 --> 01:26:40,580
remember I would say that is it possible

2165
01:26:47,800 --> 01:26:46,190
sure you said you had missing time how

2166
01:26:48,850 --> 01:26:47,810
long do you think that missing time

2167
01:26:51,010 --> 01:26:48,860
might await

2168
01:26:54,490 --> 01:26:51,020
oh we know it's three hours okay and

2169
01:26:57,280 --> 01:26:54,500
then also regarding the creatures you

2170
01:27:00,100 --> 01:26:57,290
said one may have been up to six feet

2171
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:00,110
tall and then the humanoid or the other

2172
01:27:03,510 --> 01:27:01,850
creature you described how tall was that

2173
01:27:06,760 --> 01:27:03,520
I didn't quite catch that

2174
01:27:09,100 --> 01:27:06,770
probably like five feet my feet was it

2175
01:27:12,250 --> 01:27:09,110
stout looking or was it very fragile

2176
01:27:14,380 --> 01:27:12,260
lately mine was more frail yeah but it

2177
01:27:16,180 --> 01:27:14,390
was very but whoever grabbed me was or

2178
01:27:17,020 --> 01:27:16,190
whatever grabbing was very strong it

2179
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:17,030
hurt my arm

2180
01:27:21,460 --> 01:27:19,730
I see so you would say there were about

2181
01:27:23,890 --> 01:27:21,470
two different creatures in front of you

2182
01:27:27,310 --> 01:27:23,900
or were there multiple ones more than

2183
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:27,320
two what well I would say that all in

2184
01:27:33,970 --> 01:27:30,530
all I probably saw about six six

2185
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:33,980
different types of creatures what - and

2186
01:27:37,900 --> 01:27:36,410
I wouldn't call the other ones creatures

2187
01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:37,910
I would call them more like a hybrid

2188
01:27:41,860 --> 01:27:40,850
they look more more human to me than

2189
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:41,870
anything

2190
01:27:46,690 --> 01:27:44,330
frail humans that were a little bit

2191
01:27:50,290 --> 01:27:46,700
smaller that had a super talk you know

2192
01:27:53,020 --> 01:27:50,300
strong grip on my own so just to be

2193
01:27:55,060 --> 01:27:53,030
clear you're saying six individuals of

2194
01:27:59,380 --> 01:27:55,070
two different types is that about right

2195
01:28:01,540 --> 01:27:59,390
am i okay all right would you say that

2196
01:28:04,690 --> 01:28:01,550
it was three of each type you know like

2197
01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:04,700
so there's two of two of the insect and

2198
01:28:11,890 --> 01:28:09,890
about for the others okay mm-hmm and

2199
01:28:13,780 --> 01:28:11,900
actually they had placed something on my

2200
01:28:17,290 --> 01:28:13,790
body they don't talk about much either

2201
01:28:18,940 --> 01:28:17,300
what's like large raise impacts yes and

2202
01:28:20,830 --> 01:28:18,950
I do want to go into that but you know

2203
01:28:27,010 --> 01:28:20,840
forgive me for being so simple-minded

2204
01:28:33,130 --> 01:28:27,020
here but I really need it I'm here for

2205
01:28:36,070 --> 01:28:33,140
you I will the creatures again let's

2206
01:28:39,220 --> 01:28:36,080
paint this again so we have the insect

2207
01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:39,230
creatures then we have this sort of I

2208
01:28:44,020 --> 01:28:41,690
guess you call them hybrid creatures so

2209
01:28:47,260 --> 01:28:44,030
two different kinds of creatures then we

2210
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:47,270
have a total of six of them so with the

2211
01:28:51,610 --> 01:28:49,610
insect creature how many of those were

2212
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:51,620
there and how many were there of the

2213
01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:53,690
hybrid that's the part I'm not getting

2214
01:28:59,230 --> 01:28:56,090
okay I mentioned that a minute ago Joe

2215
01:29:01,720 --> 01:28:59,240
the two of the insects and probably four

2216
01:29:05,950 --> 01:29:01,730
of the humanoid okay so then I was gonna

2217
01:29:08,410 --> 01:29:05,960
ask you the eyes the skin and and the

2218
01:29:11,020 --> 01:29:08,420
smell of the hybrid creatures could you

2219
01:29:15,670 --> 01:29:11,030
actually see their skin look at their

2220
01:29:17,230 --> 01:29:15,680
eyes smell them or when talking to you

2221
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:17,240
can you please give us a little bit of

2222
01:29:23,200 --> 01:29:19,570
background on that

2223
01:29:24,610 --> 01:29:23,210
well they again you know the be quite

2224
01:29:28,180 --> 01:29:24,620
honest with you I'd say what they

2225
01:29:29,800 --> 01:29:28,190
appeared almost ninety percent human it

2226
01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:29,810
what they weren't that different that

2227
01:29:35,560 --> 01:29:32,930
you know I I don't nothing stunk

2228
01:29:39,220 --> 01:29:35,570
I did hear a tapping sound and the craft

2229
01:29:43,660 --> 01:29:39,230
heard a broom or wherever I was but

2230
01:29:46,180 --> 01:29:43,670
there was no and no Cologne but you know

2231
01:29:49,330 --> 01:29:46,190
it was no different than you know

2232
01:29:52,510 --> 01:29:49,340
standing next to you know maybe a 20

2233
01:29:55,540 --> 01:29:52,520
year old you know person or a Jana just

2234
01:29:59,950 --> 01:29:55,550
that they were bald and and

2235
01:30:02,470 --> 01:29:59,960
frail much thinner I remember maybe a

2236
01:30:05,290 --> 01:30:02,480
you know in white outfits

2237
01:30:08,020 --> 01:30:05,300
if you well not like dress but like most

2238
01:30:10,930 --> 01:30:08,030
like a you know all-in-one like a

2239
01:30:12,340 --> 01:30:10,940
pointless to basically yeah and and

2240
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:12,350
there was another thing I remember there

2241
01:30:16,060 --> 01:30:13,850
was a curtain in the air that looked

2242
01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:16,070
like almost like a half like like a

2243
01:30:21,010 --> 01:30:19,250
clear semi clear shower curtain that I

2244
01:30:23,170 --> 01:30:21,020
remember seeing some movement behind

2245
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:23,180
that one of the walls and there was all

2246
01:30:26,980 --> 01:30:25,010
made of glass it looked like glass I

2247
01:30:29,410 --> 01:30:26,990
should say I don't know for sure in a

2248
01:30:31,030 --> 01:30:29,420
boat in word almost like a like if you

2249
01:30:33,460 --> 01:30:31,040
were looking a big coffee can and you

2250
01:30:35,380 --> 01:30:33,470
know in a way the Boeing in were just in

2251
01:30:37,660 --> 01:30:35,390
pretty much that shape but two pockets

2252
01:30:40,750 --> 01:30:37,670
or exits on each side there are three

2253
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:40,760
hallways that join this large room that

2254
01:30:47,650 --> 01:30:42,890
I was in where the what the humanoids

2255
01:30:51,580 --> 01:30:47,660
were off of or standing off of and one

2256
01:30:53,410 --> 01:30:51,590
off to the left there was a an entrance

2257
01:30:56,290 --> 01:30:53,420
that was about as wide as a four-lane

2258
01:30:59,050 --> 01:30:56,300
highway and then to the straight ahead

2259
01:31:01,240 --> 01:30:59,060
to me eight to the right was a hallway

2260
01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:01,250
that entered that was much more narrow

2261
01:31:05,710 --> 01:31:03,530
and the one that was just to the right

2262
01:31:08,320 --> 01:31:05,720
of me so it almost looked like a why

2263
01:31:11,140 --> 01:31:08,330
would the bottom part of the Y being

2264
01:31:12,670 --> 01:31:11,150
twice as big as the halls that might

2265
01:31:15,190 --> 01:31:12,680
have entered it and this room was kind

2266
01:31:17,410 --> 01:31:15,200
of round and I've looked back and

2267
01:31:19,690 --> 01:31:17,420
thought to myself well maybe that was

2268
01:31:21,010 --> 01:31:19,700
meant to handle a large flow of traffic

2269
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:21,020
you know if you had a lot of people

2270
01:31:24,160 --> 01:31:22,970
coming in and had to go in different

2271
01:31:25,810 --> 01:31:24,170
directions they would have had to been

2272
01:31:28,390 --> 01:31:25,820
to be able to walk around each other

2273
01:31:30,490 --> 01:31:28,400
that's kind of what I you know I've

2274
01:31:32,260 --> 01:31:30,500
looked back and said to myself well what

2275
01:31:36,790 --> 01:31:32,270
else could that have possible we have

2276
01:31:39,880 --> 01:31:36,800
been ask you about the hybrid again

2277
01:31:42,100 --> 01:31:39,890
did it have a mouth at all yeah these

2278
01:31:44,500 --> 01:31:42,110
are look like people okay ninety percent

2279
01:31:46,330 --> 01:31:44,510
human him and I the only reason I say

2280
01:31:49,150 --> 01:31:46,340
it's not wasn't dealing because it was

2281
01:31:53,530 --> 01:31:49,160
smaller more frail and it was definitely

2282
01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:53,540
bald and you know just no little off a

2283
01:31:59,340 --> 01:31:55,010
little off human you know I mean it

2284
01:32:02,110 --> 01:31:59,350
wasn't like it was you know oh it's not

2285
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:02,120
something was off with it yeah so

2286
01:32:05,740 --> 01:32:04,010
basically if there you saw this

2287
01:32:08,110 --> 01:32:05,750
particular an individual that looked

2288
01:32:08,750 --> 01:32:08,120
sort of like this on the street they

2289
01:32:11,060 --> 01:32:08,760
were dressed

2290
01:32:17,900 --> 01:32:11,070
normal street clothes you might do a

2291
01:32:20,930 --> 01:32:19,729
I think we're fighting out here time is

2292
01:32:22,790 --> 01:32:20,940
that when you make your movie you're

2293
01:32:30,170 --> 01:32:22,800
going to need a lot of visual support to

2294
01:32:34,550 --> 01:32:30,180
help a lot of reports of Asian type

2295
01:32:36,530 --> 01:32:34,560
aliens I just also want to really yes

2296
01:32:38,690 --> 01:32:36,540
there has yeah I've seen yeah there are

2297
01:32:44,240 --> 01:32:38,700
there are either like a eurasian types

2298
01:32:45,890 --> 01:32:44,250
not not the greys humanoid that that's

2299
01:32:47,090 --> 01:32:45,900
kind of what I said earlier like that's

2300
01:32:50,060 --> 01:32:47,100
kind of what it was

2301
01:32:52,010 --> 01:32:50,070
so otherwise say were they you know

2302
01:32:53,930 --> 01:32:52,020
hybrid Asians well you know this is

2303
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:53,940
where I don't like the label stuff but

2304
01:33:00,410 --> 01:32:55,290
I'm glad you mentioned that because I

2305
01:33:02,120 --> 01:33:00,420
did not know that okay wait wait let me

2306
01:33:04,940 --> 01:33:02,130
ask you a question I have a bunch more

2307
01:33:08,530 --> 01:33:04,950
questions to ask and that is did it have

2308
01:33:11,780 --> 01:33:08,540
like five fingers four fingers how many

2309
01:33:13,580 --> 01:33:11,790
person yeah okay and then also I wanted

2310
01:33:14,870 --> 01:33:13,590
to ask you about this yeah let me let me

2311
01:33:17,240 --> 01:33:14,880
jump in here how about you hand people

2312
01:33:19,250 --> 01:33:17,250
what kind of hands do they have you know

2313
01:33:21,560 --> 01:33:19,260
what I remember that believe it or not

2314
01:33:24,650 --> 01:33:21,570
because I this is gonna sound crazy but

2315
01:33:26,690 --> 01:33:24,660
what they were facing a wall their heads

2316
01:33:29,330 --> 01:33:26,700
were like I'm gonna say four or five

2317
01:33:31,010 --> 01:33:29,340
inches from a wall and it was off to me

2318
01:33:32,150 --> 01:33:31,020
so I've always said were they looking at

2319
01:33:34,010 --> 01:33:32,160
something in the wall was there

2320
01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:34,020
something I couldn't see from the angle

2321
01:33:39,500 --> 01:33:37,050
but they reached up and put touched

2322
01:33:42,530 --> 01:33:39,510
something and it looked like human hands

2323
01:33:44,510 --> 01:33:42,540
to me and I'll never forget that I I

2324
01:33:46,700 --> 01:33:44,520
remember that and that freaked me out

2325
01:33:48,500 --> 01:33:46,710
because this is where I say to myself

2326
01:33:50,479 --> 01:33:48,510
was it something that was just

2327
01:33:52,850 --> 01:33:50,489
genetically engineered you know and I

2328
01:33:55,580 --> 01:33:52,860
said okay well humans have this ability

2329
01:33:57,229 --> 01:33:55,590
and you know ants can go you know so

2330
01:33:59,479 --> 01:33:57,239
long without water did they just

2331
01:34:02,090 --> 01:33:59,489
genetically engineer this thing but yes

2332
01:34:04,100 --> 01:34:02,100
it had hands like a person right okay

2333
01:34:06,860 --> 01:34:04,110
and then I had another question and yes

2334
01:34:09,410 --> 01:34:06,870
there are by the way uh plenty of

2335
01:34:11,780 --> 01:34:09,420
reports probably in the thousands around

2336
01:34:15,350 --> 01:34:11,790
the world regarding the kind of creature

2337
01:34:17,990 --> 01:34:15,360
you just described and then also wanted

2338
01:34:20,990 --> 01:34:18,000
to ask you did they implant you with

2339
01:34:22,310 --> 01:34:21,000
anything if they did did you have these

2340
01:34:26,120 --> 01:34:22,320
scoop marks

2341
01:34:28,070 --> 01:34:26,130
or anything to indicate maybe the

2342
01:34:30,950 --> 01:34:28,080
location of that implant or was there a

2343
01:34:32,900 --> 01:34:30,960
buzzing feeling from it did you have any

2344
01:34:35,660 --> 01:34:32,910
material taken from you anything like

2345
01:34:37,610 --> 01:34:35,670
that all I can tell you I've got two

2346
01:34:39,590 --> 01:34:37,620
marks that people say are scoot marks

2347
01:34:42,230 --> 01:34:39,600
I've got one of my right wrist and one

2348
01:34:43,520 --> 01:34:42,240
on my left wrist and I've had them for

2349
01:34:46,130 --> 01:34:43,530
ever and I don't know where they came

2350
01:34:49,010 --> 01:34:46,140
from and they never go away did the

2351
01:34:51,560 --> 01:34:49,020
creatures talk to you openly like we do

2352
01:34:54,740 --> 01:34:51,570
or did they telepathically communicate

2353
01:34:57,920 --> 01:34:54,750
with you now here's an interesting I'm

2354
01:35:00,770 --> 01:34:57,930
glad you asked that because I knew they

2355
01:35:03,490 --> 01:35:00,780
could understand me but I could not

2356
01:35:06,320 --> 01:35:03,500
understand them okay that's interesting

2357
01:35:07,730 --> 01:35:06,330
hmm okay and then I have kind of a

2358
01:35:12,650 --> 01:35:07,740
strange question you might find yourself

2359
01:35:14,540 --> 01:35:12,660
having to be redundant here but I wanted

2360
01:35:17,390 --> 01:35:14,550
to ask you about that hanger because I

2361
01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:17,400
have I'm trying to visualize it like you

2362
01:35:21,860 --> 01:35:18,810
explained it really well

2363
01:35:24,710 --> 01:35:21,870
I mean beautifully but the part that I'm

2364
01:35:27,200 --> 01:35:24,720
missing might be a pretty big part and

2365
01:35:29,030 --> 01:35:27,210
that is where in the hell did this

2366
01:35:31,580 --> 01:35:29,040
hanger come from that's the part I'm

2367
01:35:33,770 --> 01:35:31,590
missing like can you backtrack on that

2368
01:35:36,650 --> 01:35:33,780
and you know because I know like I know

2369
01:35:39,110 --> 01:35:36,660
you explained it perfectly no no I got

2370
01:35:42,620 --> 01:35:39,120
the question right the answer is I don't

2371
01:35:45,220 --> 01:35:42,630
know okay I can say this though I think

2372
01:35:49,220 --> 01:35:45,230
Kevin Kevin might know okay what's that

2373
01:35:51,830 --> 01:35:49,230
well we've talked about this area that I

2374
01:35:54,200 --> 01:35:51,840
that I believe I was taken to and I

2375
01:35:55,700 --> 01:35:54,210
think everyone in in the area

2376
01:35:59,030 --> 01:35:55,710
Sheffield Great Barrington and then

2377
01:36:01,250 --> 01:35:59,040
every in that in the in the Berkshire so

2378
01:36:03,620 --> 01:36:01,260
that is very familiar with this case all

2379
01:36:06,200 --> 01:36:03,630
believe that I was taken to an abandoned

2380
01:36:08,300 --> 01:36:06,210
military base and Kevin knows well

2381
01:36:10,700 --> 01:36:08,310
there's one in the area that's roped off

2382
01:36:13,700 --> 01:36:10,710
it's not far from where this happened

2383
01:36:16,430 --> 01:36:13,710
probably three miles and that believe

2384
01:36:18,980 --> 01:36:16,440
it's under water is that correct yes

2385
01:36:20,510 --> 01:36:18,990
it's the part it's it's part of it I

2386
01:36:22,430 --> 01:36:20,520
don't know a lot of you understand but

2387
01:36:25,220 --> 01:36:22,440
there is a back in World War two and

2388
01:36:27,260 --> 01:36:25,230
when they made the atomic bomb they you

2389
01:36:29,690 --> 01:36:27,270
know what ignites the atomic bomb was

2390
01:36:31,250 --> 01:36:29,700
made by the thing called Lyman nugget

2391
01:36:32,270 --> 01:36:31,260
and they made it here in the Falls

2392
01:36:34,820 --> 01:36:32,280
village Kent

2393
01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:34,830
area there's still a lot of places

2394
01:36:38,430 --> 01:36:35,770
around here

2395
01:36:39,990 --> 01:36:38,440
where they still mine Lime Rock and one

2396
01:36:42,510 --> 01:36:40,000
of the places around here

2397
01:36:45,350 --> 01:36:42,520
I think it's on thinking of the name of

2398
01:36:48,420 --> 01:36:45,360
the road in Sand Hill Road or sand road

2399
01:36:50,370 --> 01:36:48,430
it's still there and it's roped off and

2400
01:36:54,090 --> 01:36:50,380
there are signs on it saying do not

2401
01:36:56,280 --> 01:36:54,100
enter government property and one time I

2402
01:36:58,230 --> 01:36:56,290
was following the track going down along

2403
01:37:00,840 --> 01:36:58,240
worthy if it's like kind of Historical

2404
01:37:02,820 --> 01:37:00,850
Park which talks about the trains and

2405
01:37:05,100 --> 01:37:02,830
the things are made by the forges in

2406
01:37:07,200 --> 01:37:05,110
this area and when you go down towards

2407
01:37:09,750 --> 01:37:07,210
the end it's very swampy and there's

2408
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:09,760
really no place you can walk to and one

2409
01:37:14,310 --> 01:37:11,530
day my cane walked in a path all the way

2410
01:37:16,620 --> 01:37:14,320
to the end and there's a huge pond all

2411
01:37:19,260 --> 01:37:16,630
from where the Great Falls are and where

2412
01:37:21,180 --> 01:37:19,270
the water comes down an area and there's

2413
01:37:22,650 --> 01:37:21,190
a signs over there and they're saying do

2414
01:37:25,020 --> 01:37:22,660
not cross government property you're

2415
01:37:27,300 --> 01:37:25,030
looking like Howlin Mangano my gonna be

2416
01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:27,310
able to cross this swamp without sinking

2417
01:37:33,360 --> 01:37:30,850
into the mud it's horrible places it's

2418
01:37:35,490 --> 01:37:33,370
very wide very messy I'm far from the

2419
01:37:38,460 --> 01:37:35,500
monument it isn't very far from the

2420
01:37:41,550 --> 01:37:38,470
money that's correct it isn't and I went

2421
01:37:43,980 --> 01:37:41,560
there one day I saw a black SUV over in

2422
01:37:47,460 --> 01:37:43,990
the area by the water I'm kind of a

2423
01:37:50,250 --> 01:37:47,470
hilly kind of a rocky kind of plateau

2424
01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:50,260
with grass and stuff and I looked up and

2425
01:37:54,660 --> 01:37:52,090
all the men were wearing just basically

2426
01:37:55,830 --> 01:37:54,670
like jumpsuits black jumpsuits and you

2427
01:37:58,230 --> 01:37:55,840
couldn't call out to them because they

2428
01:37:59,550 --> 01:37:58,240
were too far what I wanted to know where

2429
01:38:02,820 --> 01:37:59,560
they were going in this one particular

2430
01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:02,830
time this truck came out and you could

2431
01:38:06,540 --> 01:38:04,570
see it go down a little panther and it

2432
01:38:08,640 --> 01:38:06,550
makes a left and it just disappeared

2433
01:38:10,890 --> 01:38:08,650
there now I finally found a way around

2434
01:38:13,230 --> 01:38:10,900
there it's through the slumps and and

2435
01:38:15,930 --> 01:38:13,240
there's a monkey tow you sink - about

2436
01:38:17,670 --> 01:38:15,940
the up to your ankles and I went over

2437
01:38:21,420 --> 01:38:17,680
there I looked and I couldn't find a

2438
01:38:25,380 --> 01:38:21,430
track or a door or cave or anything over

2439
01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:25,390
there and it's underground nobody knows

2440
01:38:29,070 --> 01:38:27,010
we think it's underground because

2441
01:38:31,440 --> 01:38:29,080
there's a marker there that says that

2442
01:38:34,310 --> 01:38:31,450
there was an old train trestle there

2443
01:38:37,290 --> 01:38:34,320
back in the 1850s or something there was

2444
01:38:38,460 --> 01:38:37,300
there was a I believe there was I read

2445
01:38:40,920 --> 01:38:38,470
something that there was a mild

2446
01:38:42,720 --> 01:38:40,930
plutonium spill or something and they

2447
01:38:44,310 --> 01:38:42,730
didn't know how to clean it up so they

2448
01:38:45,990 --> 01:38:44,320
had to abandon it but they didn't know

2449
01:38:48,060 --> 01:38:46,000
how to treat it back then so the

2450
01:38:49,050 --> 01:38:48,070
government keeps going back and back and

2451
01:38:51,930 --> 01:38:49,060
back

2452
01:38:53,490 --> 01:38:51,940
to try to find a way to make sure that

2453
01:38:55,530 --> 01:38:53,500
it's contained because it's under the

2454
01:38:57,420 --> 01:38:55,540
water and what to what

2455
01:38:59,130 --> 01:38:57,430
Kevin had said is there's a there's a

2456
01:39:02,310 --> 01:38:59,140
Falls there's a big you know that's the

2457
01:39:04,170 --> 01:39:02,320
Falls village Falls and so if this is

2458
01:39:06,120 --> 01:39:04,180
where I went which would make the most

2459
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:06,130
sense because it was only I could be

2460
01:39:12,600 --> 01:39:08,890
there from the monument and five minutes

2461
01:39:14,490 --> 01:39:12,610
and it it was connected to or at least

2462
01:39:17,210 --> 01:39:14,500
said to be connected to the mining in

2463
01:39:20,610 --> 01:39:17,220
the area and were they were playing with

2464
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:20,620
with you know the whole nuclear or had

2465
01:39:26,370 --> 01:39:23,890
nuclear interest in back in the day in

2466
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:26,380
the 40s and I think it was still open in

2467
01:39:32,580 --> 01:39:28,810
the 60s and you know to make a point

2468
01:39:35,370 --> 01:39:32,590
there I went down to a museum in Kent or

2469
01:39:37,560 --> 01:39:35,380
I was it's called the agricultural

2470
01:39:39,720 --> 01:39:37,570
mining museum it's very unique off of

2471
01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:39,730
Route 44 years north of Kent Connecticut

2472
01:39:43,380 --> 01:39:41,530
and I went in there and I was looking

2473
01:39:45,210 --> 01:39:43,390
through the amazing mouth blasting Lime

2474
01:39:47,610 --> 01:39:45,220
Rock and stuff one day and I walked in

2475
01:39:49,530 --> 01:39:47,620
and they had the only display I have

2476
01:39:52,350 --> 01:39:49,540
ever seen my eyes or anywhere in the

2477
01:39:54,690 --> 01:39:52,360
world that showed an actual nugget of

2478
01:39:57,270 --> 01:39:54,700
lime rock that was used for the atomic

2479
01:39:59,370 --> 01:39:57,280
bomb with it display about it and they

2480
01:40:02,670 --> 01:39:59,380
were talking about what they had like

2481
01:40:04,770 --> 01:40:02,680
various lime rock and and you know it's

2482
01:40:07,020 --> 01:40:04,780
like supply depots in this area and that

2483
01:40:09,120 --> 01:40:07,030
could account for why these places are

2484
01:40:10,800 --> 01:40:09,130
still in the government contract and not

2485
01:40:12,600 --> 01:40:10,810
open you can't go down there you there's

2486
01:40:16,230 --> 01:40:12,610
guards and don't wait to go down try to

2487
01:40:17,490 --> 01:40:16,240
go past it so that raised suspicious to

2488
01:40:19,590 --> 01:40:17,500
me what made me want to research this

2489
01:40:22,920 --> 01:40:19,600
and and and what Tom's telling you

2490
01:40:24,390 --> 01:40:22,930
there's that every possibility that this

2491
01:40:26,160 --> 01:40:24,400
could have been something that the

2492
01:40:28,170 --> 01:40:26,170
government had been doing because the

2493
01:40:31,380 --> 01:40:28,180
documents show that they were trying to

2494
01:40:33,870 --> 01:40:31,390
cover it this you know these sightings

2495
01:40:35,940 --> 01:40:33,880
by people which you know if you think

2496
01:40:37,640 --> 01:40:35,950
about it all could line up to this kind

2497
01:40:40,350 --> 01:40:37,650
of thing and there is a book out about

2498
01:40:42,900 --> 01:40:40,360
mining Lime Rock out that something

2499
01:40:44,550 --> 01:40:42,910
produced back in the 60s it talks about

2500
01:40:47,870 --> 01:40:44,560
the base with pictures where they made

2501
01:40:50,280 --> 01:40:47,880
these nuggets Lime Rock [\h__\h] for uh

2502
01:40:51,750 --> 01:40:50,290
for the atomic bomb it's the igniter

2503
01:40:54,180 --> 01:40:51,760
what's causing yeah they were they were

2504
01:40:56,580 --> 01:40:54,190
sent to Oak Ridge we're standing right

2505
01:40:58,050 --> 01:40:56,590
and they were right here in falses

2506
01:40:59,910 --> 01:40:58,060
connect it most people don't know that

2507
01:41:01,800 --> 01:40:59,920
even happened around here and oddly

2508
01:41:05,280 --> 01:41:01,810
enough I lived twelve miles from

2509
01:41:08,730 --> 01:41:05,290
courage that's right yeah of all things

2510
01:41:12,060 --> 01:41:08,740
Tom you said that there may have been

2511
01:41:13,590 --> 01:41:12,070
just correct me if I'm wrong please do

2512
01:41:16,980 --> 01:41:13,600
you feel like there may have been two

2513
01:41:20,490 --> 01:41:16,990
telepathic communication with with these

2514
01:41:23,760 --> 01:41:20,500
folks oh yeah

2515
01:41:26,070 --> 01:41:23,770
go ahead I'm sorry oh no I I'd love read

2516
01:41:29,010 --> 01:41:26,080
answer that please yeah I believe so I

2517
01:41:32,340 --> 01:41:29,020
mean something that first of all I

2518
01:41:36,030 --> 01:41:32,350
totally 100% know that's true and I'll

2519
01:41:37,830 --> 01:41:36,040
tell you why my my son and I don't talk

2520
01:41:40,740 --> 01:41:37,840
about it much anymore like I said I try

2521
01:41:42,900 --> 01:41:40,750
to keep to what happened in 69 but mice

2522
01:41:45,930 --> 01:41:42,910
my son was tested my son and I were with

2523
01:41:47,490 --> 01:41:45,940
Travis about I don't know eight years

2524
01:41:51,780 --> 01:41:47,500
ago we were in Cincinnati or something

2525
01:41:54,570 --> 01:41:51,790
and there was a someone that was playing

2526
01:41:56,310 --> 01:41:54,580
around with you know the ESP cards the

2527
01:41:58,770 --> 01:41:56,320
circles the squares you know all that

2528
01:42:01,500 --> 01:41:58,780
kind of thing no cards yeah yeah that

2529
01:42:03,360 --> 01:42:01,510
occurred whatever it yep and I told him

2530
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:03,370
I said you know my son was tested back

2531
01:42:08,370 --> 01:42:05,530
when he was a kid at the Miami

2532
01:42:10,140 --> 01:42:08,380
Children's Hospital and he had scored

2533
01:42:11,820 --> 01:42:10,150
higher than coincidental chance with

2534
01:42:15,330 --> 01:42:11,830
this type of thing he's always been

2535
01:42:18,120 --> 01:42:15,340
super sensitive he ever since he was a

2536
01:42:21,720 --> 01:42:18,130
baby I mean he first of all he has these

2537
01:42:24,660 --> 01:42:21,730
large membrane of like blood that almost

2538
01:42:26,940 --> 01:42:24,670
looks like a lot of a long worm of

2539
01:42:28,350 --> 01:42:26,950
membrane that comes out of his nose so

2540
01:42:31,820 --> 01:42:28,360
we had him x-rayed and they don't know

2541
01:42:34,530 --> 01:42:31,830
where this hole was in his sinus and and

2542
01:42:36,300 --> 01:42:34,540
and so of course we you know started

2543
01:42:38,640 --> 01:42:36,310
having them checked and tested and next

2544
01:42:40,560 --> 01:42:38,650
thing I know he's in the gifted program

2545
01:42:43,020 --> 01:42:40,570
at Christa McAuliffe middle school in

2546
01:42:44,970 --> 01:42:43,030
Florida and then he beat a nun beat in

2547
01:42:46,890 --> 01:42:44,980
chess Pro when he was in fifth grade and

2548
01:42:49,320 --> 01:42:46,900
he was just so advanced and so sensitive

2549
01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:49,330
to thing that you know I said you know

2550
01:42:54,570 --> 01:42:50,890
let's get him tested you know and and so

2551
01:42:58,500 --> 01:42:54,580
we did and so when we had moved out of

2552
01:43:00,840 --> 01:42:58,510
Florida you know I ran into Travis in

2553
01:43:03,720 --> 01:43:00,850
Murfreesboro Tennessee and we decided to

2554
01:43:06,770 --> 01:43:03,730
you know hit the road and we were just

2555
01:43:10,070 --> 01:43:06,780
had him tested and Travis was there and

2556
01:43:12,630 --> 01:43:10,080
sure enough he hit these cards like I

2557
01:43:14,370 --> 01:43:12,640
think a couple of times I'm you know I

2558
01:43:15,330 --> 01:43:14,380
think I'm exaggerating but I think he

2559
01:43:17,430 --> 01:43:15,340
hit almost you know

2560
01:43:18,750 --> 01:43:17,440
the numbers like to twice in a row or

2561
01:43:20,160 --> 01:43:18,760
something at one point you're like my

2562
01:43:23,490 --> 01:43:20,170
god that's like crazy if you got a 1 in

2563
01:43:25,890 --> 01:43:23,500
5 yeah that's right and so I took him

2564
01:43:29,400 --> 01:43:25,900
back to the Knoxville hypnosis Center

2565
01:43:32,070 --> 01:43:29,410
right here in town and had him tested

2566
01:43:33,210 --> 01:43:32,080
and sure enough I've got a document from

2567
01:43:35,340 --> 01:43:33,220
the testing facility

2568
01:43:37,740 --> 01:43:35,350
it's a renowned testing facility it's a

2569
01:43:41,160 --> 01:43:37,750
major hospital where they said that he

2570
01:43:42,780 --> 01:43:41,170
actually tested to show signs of ESP and

2571
01:43:45,720 --> 01:43:42,790
he tested once again higher than

2572
01:43:49,320 --> 01:43:45,730
coincidental chance so I asked myself

2573
01:43:50,700 --> 01:43:49,330
with what happened you know I think you

2574
01:43:52,350 --> 01:43:50,710
alluded there was something taken from

2575
01:43:54,570 --> 01:43:52,360
me skin or you know what the SCOOTER

2576
01:43:56,690 --> 01:43:54,580
mark thing well maybe something was also

2577
01:44:00,660 --> 01:43:56,700
interchanged maybe something was also

2578
01:44:03,090 --> 01:44:00,670
not just extracted but you know given to

2579
01:44:06,390 --> 01:44:03,100
our family gene or line because if you

2580
01:44:09,120 --> 01:44:06,400
know my son and try actually Kevin met

2581
01:44:13,110 --> 01:44:09,130
him just the other day you know he's

2582
01:44:15,240 --> 01:44:13,120
extremely advanced like he was at his

2583
01:44:18,150 --> 01:44:15,250
girlfriend's house Oh God 2 years ago

2584
01:44:19,770 --> 01:44:18,160
and about 45 minutes away and he calls

2585
01:44:20,820 --> 01:44:19,780
me up in a panic and says you know daddy

2586
01:44:23,460 --> 01:44:20,830
ok ok

2587
01:44:25,320 --> 01:44:23,470
and I assure him I am you know it's fine

2588
01:44:27,420 --> 01:44:25,330
I don't live in a you know area only got

2589
01:44:29,430 --> 01:44:27,430
to worry about it and I says check the

2590
01:44:32,070 --> 01:44:29,440
doors check the doors he was a panic and

2591
01:44:34,140 --> 01:44:32,080
so I said okay I will so I got out of

2592
01:44:37,070 --> 01:44:34,150
bed it was Friday like 11:30 check the

2593
01:44:40,110 --> 01:44:37,080
doors windows walked outside nothing

2594
01:44:41,640 --> 01:44:40,120
sure enough about 45 minutes later Chris

2595
01:44:42,570 --> 01:44:41,650
runs in the house he goes oh my god dad

2596
01:44:44,550 --> 01:44:42,580
you could have come out here and see

2597
01:44:46,500 --> 01:44:44,560
this went outside and sure enough there

2598
01:44:48,420 --> 01:44:46,510
was an SUV flipped upside-down on the

2599
01:44:52,080 --> 01:44:48,430
side of my property and there was a man

2600
01:44:54,270 --> 01:44:52,090
hanging out the sunroof another time by

2601
01:44:56,490 --> 01:44:54,280
when my dad was alive my dad was alive

2602
01:44:58,110 --> 01:44:56,500
yeah I have a question for you can we

2603
01:44:59,730 --> 01:44:58,120
can we just go back to the event because

2604
01:45:09,390 --> 01:44:59,740
I have a ton more questions for you I

2605
01:45:11,430 --> 01:45:09,400
wanted to ask the part two to that

2606
01:45:14,000 --> 01:45:11,440
question is did they put pictures in

2607
01:45:17,030 --> 01:45:14,010
your head any of these creatures at all

2608
01:45:19,830 --> 01:45:17,040
no I don't remember that was 10 okay

2609
01:45:21,450 --> 01:45:19,840
yeah I want to jump in with a couple of

2610
01:45:24,150 --> 01:45:21,460
quick question like myself your yeah

2611
01:45:27,750 --> 01:45:24,160
before we get the chance of two dozen or

2612
01:45:28,830 --> 01:45:27,760
more what I would ask about that did any

2613
01:45:31,440 --> 01:45:28,840
of the other whit

2614
01:45:34,530 --> 01:45:31,450
is in the area work out anything along

2615
01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:34,540
the lines of a closer contact experience

2616
01:45:43,170 --> 01:45:35,530
similar to yours

2617
01:45:46,700 --> 01:45:43,180
yes okay okay yeah one more when you

2618
01:45:50,070 --> 01:45:46,710
were in the room the the very large room

2619
01:45:52,530 --> 01:45:50,080
did it did it feel like an or you know

2620
01:45:55,620 --> 01:45:52,540
the the sort of architecture design we

2621
01:45:57,870 --> 01:45:55,630
would see in a something on earth or Jay

2622
01:45:59,700 --> 01:45:57,880
look otherworldly that feel otherworldly

2623
01:46:01,290 --> 01:45:59,710
to you as well you know whether you see

2624
01:46:06,060 --> 01:46:01,300
a lot of right angles that kind of thing

2625
01:46:08,910 --> 01:46:06,070
and in nineteen 1969 in the hangar now

2626
01:46:12,110 --> 01:46:08,920
it looked very industrial by design

2627
01:46:14,880 --> 01:46:12,120
look it was yep simple nothing super

2628
01:46:17,310 --> 01:46:14,890
high-tech except the room I was in wood

2629
01:46:19,190 --> 01:46:17,320
that boat in word that I still just they

2630
01:46:21,990 --> 01:46:19,200
have never seen anything like that and

2631
01:46:23,430 --> 01:46:22,000
by the way the the table that that was

2632
01:46:25,290 --> 01:46:23,440
on it mentioned us a few times and it's

2633
01:46:28,080 --> 01:46:25,300
actually in a couple films it reminded

2634
01:46:30,120 --> 01:46:28,090
me today looking back as an autopsy

2635
01:46:32,760 --> 01:46:30,130
table they had the center pole in the

2636
01:46:34,650 --> 01:46:32,770
middle it rose up but this thing that

2637
01:46:36,810 --> 01:46:34,660
came down was like a two-part cage and

2638
01:46:38,190 --> 01:46:36,820
the first part went over my body and a

2639
01:46:39,810 --> 01:46:38,200
second one I caught up with it and then

2640
01:46:41,220 --> 01:46:39,820
there were these holes and the sides

2641
01:46:42,750 --> 01:46:41,230
that kind of lined up and that's where

2642
01:46:47,310 --> 01:46:42,760
they stuck these big packs that look

2643
01:46:48,840 --> 01:46:47,320
like raisins did you have nightmares

2644
01:46:53,730 --> 01:46:48,850
after the event

2645
01:46:58,080 --> 01:46:53,740
how are you affected by it yeah I would

2646
01:47:00,540 --> 01:46:58,090
say I did there were I think you know

2647
01:47:01,890 --> 01:47:00,550
mild panic attacks for a while and stuff

2648
01:47:04,200 --> 01:47:01,900
but at the same time it was just a

2649
01:47:06,450 --> 01:47:04,210
matter of getting used to accustom to

2650
01:47:09,720 --> 01:47:06,460
the fact that you know I that nobody was

2651
01:47:11,100 --> 01:47:09,730
hurt you know and and I've said to

2652
01:47:13,230 --> 01:47:11,110
people you know just because someone

2653
01:47:14,310 --> 01:47:13,240
scares you or knocks on the window where

2654
01:47:17,340 --> 01:47:14,320
you're watching a horror flick and you

2655
01:47:19,380 --> 01:47:17,350
jump just because you are scared you're

2656
01:47:21,570 --> 01:47:19,390
frightened doesn't mean there's a reason

2657
01:47:23,430 --> 01:47:21,580
to be and I think it was just a matter

2658
01:47:25,380 --> 01:47:23,440
that you know the fact that something

2659
01:47:27,990 --> 01:47:25,390
had happened that our body or feelings

2660
01:47:30,240 --> 01:47:28,000
or senses weren't accustomed to we just

2661
01:47:31,800 --> 01:47:30,250
needed to acclimate ourselves I think

2662
01:47:34,950 --> 01:47:31,810
because I was so young at the time I

2663
01:47:36,660 --> 01:47:34,960
kind of adjusted pretty quickly and but

2664
01:47:38,850 --> 01:47:36,670
then again I couldn't really talk openly

2665
01:47:42,180 --> 01:47:38,860
about it and that that made it difficult

2666
01:47:42,990 --> 01:47:42,190
um you mentioned how and please correct

2667
01:47:52,649 --> 01:47:43,000
me

2668
01:47:54,720 --> 01:47:52,659
family not connected directly to the

2669
01:48:00,240 --> 01:47:54,730
event like your son do you feel that

2670
01:48:02,550 --> 01:48:00,250
these ETS or ETS of any kind it may have

2671
01:48:03,840 --> 01:48:02,560
been involved in your family in a

2672
01:48:06,479 --> 01:48:03,850
generational manner

2673
01:48:10,200 --> 01:48:06,489
oh no questions and when you say no

2674
01:48:13,169 --> 01:48:10,210
question why well all because my brother

2675
01:48:14,760 --> 01:48:13,179
my sons affected my mother was affected

2676
01:48:17,790 --> 01:48:14,770
and my grandmother so there's four

2677
01:48:19,470 --> 01:48:17,800
generations right there and then back in

2678
01:48:22,010 --> 01:48:19,480
a day what my mother had her first

2679
01:48:24,840 --> 01:48:22,020
sighting believe it or not was in 1954

2680
01:48:27,000 --> 01:48:24,850
and I I don't mean I don't mean like you

2681
01:48:28,700 --> 01:48:27,010
know after the event I mean before like

2682
01:48:31,740 --> 01:48:28,710
before it ever happened in a generation

2683
01:48:34,080 --> 01:48:31,750
manner Jean oh yeah yeah my mother my

2684
01:48:35,820 --> 01:48:34,090
mother had a and one of the reasons that

2685
01:48:37,709 --> 01:48:35,830
I think that she was so understanding

2686
01:48:42,030 --> 01:48:37,719
with us was that she was the first one

2687
01:48:44,010 --> 01:48:42,040
to see something real quick did you know

2688
01:48:46,050 --> 01:48:44,020
at the time that this all happened that

2689
01:48:48,149 --> 01:48:46,060
your mom had this incident or did this

2690
01:48:51,919 --> 01:48:48,159
come about afterwards as you try to get

2691
01:48:54,419 --> 01:48:51,929
a grip on it afterwards okay and

2692
01:48:59,010 --> 01:48:54,429
regarding that incident which happened

2693
01:49:01,140 --> 01:48:59,020
your mother on did did she did she share

2694
01:49:05,100 --> 01:49:01,150
with you that the event that occurred

2695
01:49:07,229 --> 01:49:05,110
September 1st 1969 may have matched her

2696
01:49:09,859 --> 01:49:07,239
experience that occurred prior to that

2697
01:49:13,200 --> 01:49:09,869
it didn't it wasn't anything like it

2698
01:49:14,790 --> 01:49:13,210
okay huh so would you say that they were

2699
01:49:16,229 --> 01:49:14,800
different creatures is that what she

2700
01:49:19,649 --> 01:49:16,239
related to you or different just

2701
01:49:22,890 --> 01:49:19,659
different everything my mother my mother

2702
01:49:26,270 --> 01:49:22,900
was going to a college with her uncle

2703
01:49:29,640 --> 01:49:26,280
Bob or my uncle bob and her brother and

2704
01:49:33,510 --> 01:49:29,650
Bob's girlfriend at the time who went by

2705
01:49:35,430 --> 01:49:33,520
Kip my grandmother also was there they

2706
01:49:39,720 --> 01:49:35,440
stayed at a cabin in Moosehead Lake

2707
01:49:41,310 --> 01:49:39,730
Maine and my mother and Kip both woke up

2708
01:49:43,500 --> 01:49:41,320
at the middle of the night having the

2709
01:49:45,270 --> 01:49:43,510
same experience in different rooms where

2710
01:49:46,979 --> 01:49:45,280
they felt that their torsos were being

2711
01:49:49,620 --> 01:49:46,989
shifted to the left and shift it to the

2712
01:49:50,100 --> 01:49:49,630
right and my mother felt like she was

2713
01:49:51,750 --> 01:49:50,110
frozen

2714
01:49:55,740 --> 01:49:51,760
almost like some people would say almost

2715
01:49:56,550 --> 01:49:55,750
like you know Oh paralysis or something

2716
01:49:58,800 --> 01:49:56,560
but yet

2717
01:50:01,500 --> 01:49:58,810
she could still see here her body was

2718
01:50:02,700 --> 01:50:01,510
being moved and then she woke up and my

2719
01:50:05,610 --> 01:50:02,710
grandmother was actually in the kitchen

2720
01:50:08,730 --> 01:50:05,620
making pancakes and my mother walked in

2721
01:50:10,380 --> 01:50:08,740
very Placid and and my grandmother knew

2722
01:50:12,660 --> 01:50:10,390
that she was in need of some help and

2723
01:50:15,540 --> 01:50:12,670
tried to talk to her and she was trying

2724
01:50:18,120 --> 01:50:15,550
to just tell her what happened and then

2725
01:50:21,270 --> 01:50:18,130
Kipp walked in and she was in the same

2726
01:50:25,380 --> 01:50:21,280
condition as my mother and so after

2727
01:50:27,000 --> 01:50:25,390
being attended to and my mother and Kipp

2728
01:50:28,800 --> 01:50:27,010
just said they would not sleep in that

2729
01:50:30,570 --> 01:50:28,810
house again or that cabin it was rented

2730
01:50:32,190 --> 01:50:30,580
and they went down on a boating doc and

2731
01:50:33,600 --> 01:50:32,200
he tried to sleep outside and they ended

2732
01:50:36,480 --> 01:50:33,610
up being back on the porch because it

2733
01:50:37,920 --> 01:50:36,490
was cold and then eventually Bob and my

2734
01:50:39,030 --> 01:50:37,930
grandmother talked him to come back in

2735
01:50:44,760 --> 01:50:39,040
the house and then the next day they

2736
01:50:46,920 --> 01:50:44,770
left were there any traces stains or

2737
01:50:50,150 --> 01:50:46,930
evidence on your body or anyone's body

2738
01:50:56,190 --> 01:50:50,160
pain cuts or bruises or get sick

2739
01:50:59,190 --> 01:50:56,200
anything regarding that yes yeah go

2740
01:51:02,160 --> 01:50:59,200
ahead my brother had two puncture wounds

2741
01:51:07,110 --> 01:51:02,170
in his chest and two more behind his

2742
01:51:09,870 --> 01:51:07,120
right ear I did not he that most looked

2743
01:51:11,400 --> 01:51:09,880
like two sugar cone wounds that were

2744
01:51:14,730 --> 01:51:11,410
healed immediately and they were they

2745
01:51:18,660 --> 01:51:14,740
were also looked at by our family doctor

2746
01:51:20,490 --> 01:51:18,670
who also went on record by the way gave

2747
01:51:22,530 --> 01:51:20,500
testimony but he found had cancer and he

2748
01:51:24,510 --> 01:51:22,540
decided to open up about it and he

2749
01:51:27,240 --> 01:51:24,520
filmed with Laura Wagner for a film

2750
01:51:29,400 --> 01:51:27,250
because he wanted to you know just be

2751
01:51:32,150 --> 01:51:29,410
you know be upfront with it he's been

2752
01:51:34,830 --> 01:51:32,160
our doctor for a long time and so his

2753
01:51:37,140 --> 01:51:34,840
report said that the two will moons in

2754
01:51:39,210 --> 01:51:37,150
his chest were basically over the thymus

2755
01:51:43,080 --> 01:51:39,220
gland and of course the thymus gland

2756
01:51:45,450 --> 01:51:43,090
produces the t-cells which have the body

2757
01:51:47,370 --> 01:51:45,460
here or build the body its immune system

2758
01:51:49,800 --> 01:51:47,380
and the other two wounds behind his

2759
01:51:52,050 --> 01:51:49,810
right ear is connected directly to a

2760
01:51:53,940 --> 01:51:52,060
tube from the brain that drives the

2761
01:51:56,010 --> 01:51:53,950
amount of t-cells that your body

2762
01:51:58,650 --> 01:51:56,020
produces to fight a you know the fight

2763
01:52:00,390 --> 01:51:58,660
the you know virus or bacteria so

2764
01:52:02,990 --> 01:52:00,400
basically the two wounds were connected

2765
01:52:06,630 --> 01:52:03,000
to the body's ability to build and

2766
01:52:09,520 --> 01:52:06,640
manufacture antibodies to fight off you

2767
01:52:11,350 --> 01:52:09,530
know viruses basically

2768
01:52:13,420 --> 01:52:11,360
and the body it builds the body's immune

2769
01:52:15,700 --> 01:52:13,430
system so there was a connection to that

2770
01:52:18,070 --> 01:52:15,710
with my brother and that's been and

2771
01:52:19,840 --> 01:52:18,080
that's on madness medical record I mean

2772
01:52:21,850 --> 01:52:19,850
that's common you know anybody can get

2773
01:52:23,920 --> 01:52:21,860
his records dishonor okay and you

2774
01:52:25,810 --> 01:52:23,930
mentioned how their folks were not in

2775
01:52:27,970 --> 01:52:25,820
the same position in the vehicle when

2776
01:52:30,310 --> 01:52:27,980
they left what I wanted to ask you was

2777
01:52:32,620 --> 01:52:30,320
clothing in a different place on

2778
01:52:35,620 --> 01:52:32,630
people's bodies in other words a lot of

2779
01:52:38,650 --> 01:52:35,630
abductees contactees experiencers will

2780
01:52:40,600 --> 01:52:38,660
say I I went in one way you know with my

2781
01:52:43,900 --> 01:52:40,610
shirt on in my pants on a certain way

2782
01:52:45,700 --> 01:52:43,910
and I left looking different my shirt

2783
01:52:48,010 --> 01:52:45,710
was on inside-out my pants were on

2784
01:52:52,150 --> 01:52:48,020
backwards that kind of thing did that

2785
01:52:53,020 --> 01:52:52,160
occur no okay and then also wanted to

2786
01:52:56,380 --> 01:52:53,030
ask you

2787
01:52:58,780 --> 01:52:56,390
were there any unusual smells or sounds

2788
01:53:02,860 --> 01:52:58,790
burped before during or after the event

2789
01:53:04,660 --> 01:53:02,870
a tapping sound and the reason I know

2790
01:53:07,750 --> 01:53:04,670
that tapping sounded actually had an MRI

2791
01:53:10,450 --> 01:53:07,760
a long time ago after my car wreck and

2792
01:53:12,220 --> 01:53:10,460
that same tapping sound freaked me out

2793
01:53:14,410 --> 01:53:12,230
because it was so similar to what we

2794
01:53:16,780 --> 01:53:14,420
heard so the tapping sound of an MRI

2795
01:53:19,030 --> 01:53:16,790
machine really mimics what I remember

2796
01:53:21,160 --> 01:53:19,040
hearing and when you say the tapping

2797
01:53:26,440 --> 01:53:21,170
sound was that while you were lying on

2798
01:53:28,180 --> 01:53:26,450
that that that table they you were

2799
01:53:29,650 --> 01:53:28,190
talking about or where were you when

2800
01:53:33,850 --> 01:53:29,660
that occurred when you heard that sound

2801
01:53:35,320 --> 01:53:33,860
I it was all over it was in the hangar

2802
01:53:37,750 --> 01:53:35,330
it was in the hallway

2803
01:53:41,980 --> 01:53:37,760
it was pretty much everywhere it was

2804
01:53:42,790 --> 01:53:41,990
just like that like that that's

2805
01:53:45,250 --> 01:53:42,800
fascinating

2806
01:53:48,040 --> 01:53:45,260
and then also wanted to know how long

2807
01:53:50,350 --> 01:53:48,050
did it feel not necessarily factually

2808
01:53:54,310 --> 01:53:50,360
how long you were gone but how long did

2809
01:53:58,600 --> 01:53:54,320
it feel to you that you were gone 10

2810
01:54:01,060 --> 01:53:58,610
seconds really but I remember more than

2811
01:54:03,280 --> 01:54:01,070
10 seconds but when I came to in the car

2812
01:54:06,160 --> 01:54:03,290
I didn't know if five minutes had passed

2813
01:54:08,050 --> 01:54:06,170
or what not three hours because it had

2814
01:54:10,090 --> 01:54:08,060
just gotten dusk when we left the lights

2815
01:54:11,290 --> 01:54:10,100
would just gone on in a car and we were

2816
01:54:13,900 --> 01:54:11,300
trying my mother was trying to get us

2817
01:54:16,240 --> 01:54:13,910
home you know by 8:30 to get us cleaned

2818
01:54:17,950 --> 01:54:16,250
up and in bed by 9:00 so it was right

2819
01:54:20,130 --> 01:54:17,960
around 8 o'clock and we went back to

2820
01:54:22,960 --> 01:54:20,140
silks they were just closing at 11:00

2821
01:54:23,169 --> 01:54:22,970
though which was three hours and it

2822
01:54:25,959 --> 01:54:23,179
didn't

2823
01:54:27,969 --> 01:54:25,969
feel like anything you know okay and

2824
01:54:29,410 --> 01:54:27,979
then thank you for being patient with me

2825
01:54:30,699 --> 01:54:29,420
because I know I'm being real aggressive

2826
01:54:32,649 --> 01:54:30,709
about these questions

2827
01:54:35,709 --> 01:54:32,659
I don't want larger asking them well I

2828
01:54:36,860 --> 01:54:35,719
I'll tell you why I'm doing it first of

2829
01:54:39,899 --> 01:54:36,870
all that's my personality

2830
01:54:43,569 --> 01:54:39,909
[Laughter]

2831
01:54:45,250 --> 01:54:43,579
second reason is I I believe you I want

2832
01:54:48,219 --> 01:54:45,260
to tell you right now I have never

2833
01:54:51,609 --> 01:54:48,229
doubted you I think that your case is a

2834
01:54:56,020 --> 01:54:51,619
hundred percent genuine and I believe

2835
01:54:58,390 --> 01:54:56,030
everything you're saying and I mean I I

2836
01:55:00,160 --> 01:54:58,400
know that sounds biased I'm not gonna

2837
01:55:01,600 --> 01:55:00,170
spend time you know telling the

2838
01:55:03,339 --> 01:55:01,610
listeners because I don't want to waste

2839
01:55:05,979 --> 01:55:03,349
time here because what you say is more

2840
01:55:08,560 --> 01:55:05,989
important I believe but I just wanted to

2841
01:55:10,870 --> 01:55:08,570
say when I heard you talk about this

2842
01:55:12,520 --> 01:55:10,880
because I've listened you talk on other

2843
01:55:15,189 --> 01:55:12,530
podcasts and stuff I did a little bit of

2844
01:55:17,469 --> 01:55:15,199
homework before we did this show the

2845
01:55:20,649 --> 01:55:17,479
manner in which you compose yourself it

2846
01:55:22,540 --> 01:55:20,659
really doesn't matter how politely or

2847
01:55:33,759 --> 01:55:22,550
rude I asked my questions your demeanor

2848
01:55:36,189 --> 01:55:33,769
is the same so I say that you're you

2849
01:55:38,259 --> 01:55:36,199
don't really care whether people believe

2850
01:55:40,120 --> 01:55:38,269
you or not that's in you know Travis

2851
01:55:41,979 --> 01:55:40,130
Walton he's the same way he does not

2852
01:55:44,589 --> 01:55:41,989
give a damn whether people believe him

2853
01:55:46,439 --> 01:55:44,599
or not yeah and you're exactly I you you

2854
01:55:49,660 --> 01:55:46,449
both are identical in that respect

2855
01:55:51,580 --> 01:55:49,670
really you know and it's funny because I

2856
01:55:53,709 --> 01:55:51,590
don't think people understand the kind

2857
01:55:57,189 --> 01:55:53,719
of hell and back you've been through

2858
01:55:59,350 --> 01:55:57,199
regarding this situation so when I was

2859
01:56:01,810 --> 01:55:59,360
telling everybody earlier okay guys stop

2860
01:56:04,600 --> 01:56:01,820
is because I wanted to get into the meat

2861
01:56:06,759 --> 01:56:04,610
of what happened so to speak because I

2862
01:56:08,919 --> 01:56:06,769
know our listeners are just dying to

2863
01:56:12,279 --> 01:56:08,929
hear what you have to say and when you

2864
01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:12,289
when I fire off these questions and you

2865
01:56:18,609 --> 01:56:16,010
are not even perturbed in any way shape

2866
01:56:21,129 --> 01:56:18,619
or form by them it really is such a

2867
01:56:24,580 --> 01:56:21,139
wonderful testament I would like to let

2868
01:56:27,359 --> 01:56:24,590
everybody know right there that should

2869
01:56:31,239 --> 01:56:27,369
be really telling to everyone that

2870
01:56:33,729 --> 01:56:31,249
because I I think that over the years

2871
01:56:36,160 --> 01:56:33,739
and certainly if you look back at the

2872
01:56:37,120 --> 01:56:36,170
shows that have been done right and you

2873
01:56:39,040 --> 01:56:37,130
know some

2874
01:56:42,700 --> 01:56:39,050
Joe showing a ball of light some shows

2875
01:56:44,740 --> 01:56:42,710
showing the craft you know the the you

2876
01:56:46,750 --> 01:56:44,750
know they show crafts going over a car

2877
01:56:51,460 --> 01:56:46,760
then they show a ball of light stopping

2878
01:56:53,590 --> 01:56:51,470
it I mean it I don't I'm if I was your

2879
01:56:55,330 --> 01:56:53,600
listeners I'd be like well that's not

2880
01:56:57,430 --> 01:56:55,340
what I saw in Discovery Channel that's

2881
01:56:59,380 --> 01:56:57,440
not what I saw in uncovering aliens

2882
01:57:01,030 --> 01:56:59,390
that's not what I saw on you know

2883
01:57:03,220 --> 01:57:01,040
destination America that's not what I

2884
01:57:06,460 --> 01:57:03,230
saw on PBS that's not what I saw it's

2885
01:57:09,220 --> 01:57:06,470
like it's so confusing in a lot of ways

2886
01:57:11,080 --> 01:57:09,230
and it's there's some folks who jump to

2887
01:57:12,880 --> 01:57:11,090
the conclusion that your story is

2888
01:57:15,430 --> 01:57:12,890
changing when that's not the case it's

2889
01:57:17,170 --> 01:57:15,440
not the case no I have not seen it I'm

2890
01:57:19,180 --> 01:57:17,180
starting to speak on his behalf I have

2891
01:57:21,790 --> 01:57:19,190
to tell her everybody like I've listened

2892
01:57:24,160 --> 01:57:21,800
to him a lot before there so this story

2893
01:57:26,140 --> 01:57:24,170
has not changed I will even purposely be

2894
01:57:28,120 --> 01:57:26,150
rude to somebody just to get an emotion

2895
01:57:30,610 --> 01:57:28,130
out of them to see if they sort of if

2896
01:57:34,720 --> 01:57:30,620
that will create a different story

2897
01:57:39,220 --> 01:57:34,730
effect so to speak and no you know tom

2898
01:57:40,570 --> 01:57:39,230
has remained steadfast in his story but

2899
01:57:42,730 --> 01:57:40,580
I do want to get back to the questions

2900
01:57:44,980 --> 01:57:42,740
guys I'm gonna stop but I do have like

2901
01:57:47,620 --> 01:57:44,990
two or three questions though oh yeah

2902
01:57:49,660 --> 01:57:47,630
you go ahead okay good

2903
01:57:51,580 --> 01:57:49,670
let me let me just look at my list here

2904
01:57:53,980 --> 01:57:51,590
just one second here

2905
01:57:56,290 --> 01:57:53,990
okay you said that everybody woke up a

2906
01:57:58,360 --> 01:57:56,300
little bit different times people were

2907
01:58:01,660 --> 01:57:58,370
in different positions in the vehicle

2908
01:58:03,910 --> 01:58:01,670
but did witnesses to you not to the

2909
01:58:06,910 --> 01:58:03,920
event but witnesses to you did they see

2910
01:58:09,130 --> 01:58:06,920
you acting differently after the event

2911
01:58:10,690 --> 01:58:09,140
or were you so introverted about it

2912
01:58:12,670 --> 01:58:10,700
nobody could tell the difference

2913
01:58:15,670 --> 01:58:12,680
I wasn't introverted about it at all oh

2914
01:58:17,170 --> 01:58:15,680
I'm matter-of-fact I you know because we

2915
01:58:19,480 --> 01:58:17,180
had the diner

2916
01:58:21,400 --> 01:58:19,490
and I guess you know picture it this way

2917
01:58:22,450 --> 01:58:21,410
if you know you've got a hair salon and

2918
01:58:24,040 --> 01:58:22,460
you're people you know you have

2919
01:58:25,810 --> 01:58:24,050
customers and you cut their hair all the

2920
01:58:27,340 --> 01:58:25,820
time you know they say you're here

2921
01:58:28,570 --> 01:58:27,350
if they say your stylist knows more

2922
01:58:31,360 --> 01:58:28,580
about you than your own family right

2923
01:58:33,010 --> 01:58:31,370
because you chat you talk so in a diner

2924
01:58:35,380 --> 01:58:33,020
when my friends were there and my

2925
01:58:37,510 --> 01:58:35,390
mother's friends were there and you know

2926
01:58:40,120 --> 01:58:37,520
the the help we had to cook the

2927
01:58:41,830 --> 01:58:40,130
waitresses you know it was like a family

2928
01:58:44,350 --> 01:58:41,840
remember it's a small this is a small

2929
01:58:46,180 --> 01:58:44,360
community and it wasn't like we didn't

2930
01:58:47,710 --> 01:58:46,190
know each other's families babysit for

2931
01:58:49,960 --> 01:58:47,720
each other hang out at her house drive

2932
01:58:51,399 --> 01:58:49,970
our snowmobiles whatever so it was a

2933
01:58:53,229 --> 01:58:51,409
little bit different

2934
01:58:55,750 --> 01:58:53,239
community it was it was very Norman

2935
01:58:58,119 --> 01:58:55,760
Rockwell it just turned Norman Rockwell

2936
01:59:00,159 --> 01:58:58,129
paintings more into a Salvador Dali it

2937
01:59:03,250 --> 01:59:00,169
just kind of flipped everything but at

2938
01:59:05,589 --> 01:59:03,260
the same time you know we shared our

2939
01:59:09,369 --> 01:59:05,599
information all the time and that diner

2940
01:59:11,379 --> 01:59:09,379
and I think that's you know they can

2941
01:59:14,859 --> 01:59:11,389
forgive you get to paint a picture I'm

2942
01:59:16,869 --> 01:59:14,869
having you know my waffles and you come

2943
01:59:18,669 --> 01:59:16,879
in and you are so and so's mother and

2944
01:59:20,020 --> 01:59:18,679
you go hey Tom how's it going you know

2945
01:59:21,759 --> 01:59:20,030
Jimmy's gonna be walking to school with

2946
01:59:24,009 --> 01:59:21,769
you today okay and by the way don't

2947
01:59:25,119 --> 01:59:24,019
worry about it you know we're all got

2948
01:59:27,159 --> 01:59:25,129
your back and all that and then you

2949
01:59:29,619 --> 01:59:27,169
start talking to their daughter or son

2950
01:59:31,270 --> 01:59:29,629
and and then some jerk comes then behind

2951
01:59:33,429 --> 01:59:31,280
you and now you're sticking up for us

2952
01:59:36,159 --> 01:59:33,439
because you're friends with us and and

2953
01:59:37,600 --> 01:59:36,169
so then these questions come up did you

2954
01:59:40,119 --> 01:59:37,610
tell that person that or what did you

2955
01:59:42,459 --> 01:59:40,129
say so you're always talking about what

2956
01:59:44,350 --> 01:59:42,469
was said who said what to who and why

2957
01:59:46,209 --> 01:59:44,360
would he say that oh he's a jerk

2958
01:59:49,299 --> 01:59:46,219
he's just you know cuz people exaggerate

2959
01:59:51,520 --> 01:59:49,309
and so the talk to be honest with you

2960
01:59:54,069 --> 01:59:51,530
there was no being introverted I mean it

2961
01:59:56,020 --> 01:59:54,079
was just always there it was just like

2962
01:59:58,149 --> 01:59:56,030
living in a hair salon I mean everyone

2963
02:00:01,060 --> 01:59:58,159
owed so and so said it was like a gossip

2964
02:00:04,270 --> 02:00:01,070
center right if anything but at the same

2965
02:00:06,929 --> 02:00:04,280
time there was a time when I think my

2966
02:00:10,839 --> 02:00:06,939
mother said enough you know we just

2967
02:00:12,609 --> 02:00:10,849
enough of this already but but it wasn't

2968
02:00:14,589 --> 02:00:12,619
like it was an introverted thing it was

2969
02:00:16,839 --> 02:00:14,599
just like it was just best for the

2970
02:00:18,369 --> 02:00:16,849
family and because a lot you know that

2971
02:00:22,600 --> 02:00:18,379
the sales started to drop a little bit

2972
02:00:25,359 --> 02:00:22,610
there too I mean it was you know you

2973
02:00:28,239 --> 02:00:25,369
know what I mean I mean yeah you know

2974
02:00:30,279 --> 02:00:28,249
some people got offended when someone

2975
02:00:31,839 --> 02:00:30,289
else you know you go to a place you've

2976
02:00:33,549 --> 02:00:31,849
eaten all your life and then some guy

2977
02:00:35,199 --> 02:00:33,559
you barely know tells you to go yeah you

2978
02:00:36,580 --> 02:00:35,209
want that to eat here or do you want

2979
02:00:37,839 --> 02:00:36,590
that to go because if you're gonna have

2980
02:00:39,639 --> 02:00:37,849
it here you got to behave yourself you

2981
02:00:41,770 --> 02:00:39,649
can apologize to lady or get the hell

2982
02:00:43,569 --> 02:00:41,780
out and he's like now he doesn't feel

2983
02:00:45,399 --> 02:00:43,579
welcome there anymore and he really

2984
02:00:46,869 --> 02:00:45,409
isn't and my mother had this table of

2985
02:00:48,669 --> 02:00:46,879
people that would come in she always

2986
02:00:50,319 --> 02:00:48,679
called it the table of four these four

2987
02:00:52,359 --> 02:00:50,329
people would always come in it was

2988
02:00:54,669 --> 02:00:52,369
mostly this group one guy would stand

2989
02:00:56,020 --> 02:00:54,679
out in front of a restaurant door say oh

2990
02:00:59,290 --> 02:00:56,030
they're clothes when they're obviously

2991
02:01:01,449 --> 02:00:59,300
open and you know he would just be

2992
02:01:02,949 --> 02:01:01,459
obnoxious and walk in and be loud and

2993
02:01:04,479 --> 02:01:02,959
then his friends would come in and take

2994
02:01:07,270 --> 02:01:04,489
over a table and they'd come in with

2995
02:01:09,520 --> 02:01:07,280
manure on your shoes or smell like you

2996
02:01:10,839 --> 02:01:09,530
know from farmland you know and not you

2997
02:01:12,250 --> 02:01:10,849
know because I stepped in manure their

2998
02:01:14,140 --> 02:01:12,260
trucks would come in they had poop on

2999
02:01:15,910 --> 02:01:14,150
your friggin tires or their trucks and

3000
02:01:17,259 --> 02:01:15,920
you're trying to have an orange juice

3001
02:01:19,359 --> 02:01:17,269
right you're sitting you just paid a

3002
02:01:21,580 --> 02:01:19,369
dollar for this frigging Tropicana

3003
02:01:23,229 --> 02:01:21,590
orange juice and you can't even drink it

3004
02:01:25,180 --> 02:01:23,239
so now the guy who's having the orange

3005
02:01:26,950 --> 02:01:25,190
juice gets up and leaves and he's not

3006
02:01:28,810 --> 02:01:26,960
gonna pay the bill because this is

3007
02:01:31,060 --> 02:01:28,820
ridiculous that you know Nancy would go

3008
02:01:32,950 --> 02:01:31,070
just just go I got it I understand so

3009
02:01:34,419 --> 02:01:32,960
this guy not only cleared out the

3010
02:01:37,870 --> 02:01:34,429
restaurant but the people eating had to

3011
02:01:40,299 --> 02:01:37,880
leave and so that her and so some of her

3012
02:01:44,140 --> 02:01:40,309
friends would like say okay enough no

3013
02:01:46,060 --> 02:01:44,150
time just to jump in here this your more

3014
02:01:48,160 --> 02:01:46,070
intense event than most of the witnesses

3015
02:01:50,979 --> 02:01:48,170
are I'm assuming the whole town pretty

3016
02:01:53,470 --> 02:01:50,989
much knows a lot of people saw something

3017
02:01:56,169 --> 02:01:53,480
but your story about having the more

3018
02:01:58,299 --> 02:01:56,179
intense encounter the close encounter is

3019
02:02:00,160 --> 02:01:58,309
already out the folks know about this

3020
02:02:02,080 --> 02:02:00,170
that you experience something a little

3021
02:02:04,810 --> 02:02:02,090
bit further than a lot of the just the

3022
02:02:06,459 --> 02:02:04,820
general witnesses yeah yeah well it's a

3023
02:02:08,770 --> 02:02:06,469
lot of kids in school who draw what they

3024
02:02:11,339 --> 02:02:08,780
had drawn what they saw in a yeast at

3025
02:02:13,479 --> 02:02:11,349
how they taped them to the chalkboard

3026
02:02:14,890 --> 02:02:13,489
where the chalk would go you know the

3027
02:02:17,560 --> 02:02:14,900
little lip underneath a chalkboard and

3028
02:02:20,200 --> 02:02:17,570
these kids all a lot of them sketched

3029
02:02:21,879 --> 02:02:20,210
what they saw and that was interesting

3030
02:02:25,810 --> 02:02:21,889
too because when I went into my first

3031
02:02:27,609 --> 02:02:25,820
year of fourth-grade ask you about that

3032
02:02:29,770 --> 02:02:27,619
the school years got to be starting what

3033
02:02:33,790 --> 02:02:29,780
where maybe a few days after this all

3034
02:02:38,259 --> 02:02:33,800
happened just about started and I went

3035
02:02:40,959 --> 02:02:38,269
and and and you know that yeah and other

3036
02:02:43,149 --> 02:02:40,969
kids were drawing what they saw and so I

3037
02:02:45,459 --> 02:02:43,159
remember her standing in my door one day

3038
02:02:48,100 --> 02:02:45,469
and I walked into this classroom and I

3039
02:02:50,319 --> 02:02:48,110
saw that it said green men from Mars and

3040
02:02:52,810 --> 02:02:50,329
I'll never forget it and it was the

3041
02:02:54,580 --> 02:02:52,820
first drawing as you as I walked in the

3042
02:02:57,279 --> 02:02:54,590
door and I did would not go into

3043
02:02:59,379 --> 02:02:57,289
classroom I actually stood there because

3044
02:03:00,879 --> 02:02:59,389
it resignated a hit you know it just was

3045
02:03:03,910 --> 02:03:00,889
like a punch in the stomach I was like

3046
02:03:06,100 --> 02:03:03,920
ah you know really and so the teacher

3047
02:03:08,859 --> 02:03:06,110
comes over to me a woman and says Tommy

3048
02:03:11,109 --> 02:03:08,869
I need to take a seat and I stood there

3049
02:03:14,259 --> 02:03:11,119
and I wouldn't enter the room and she

3050
02:03:15,759 --> 02:03:14,269
says oh you're so and so she connected

3051
02:03:17,740 --> 02:03:15,769
me with the diner and she all of a

3052
02:03:21,250 --> 02:03:17,750
sudden she was so much sweeter

3053
02:03:23,260 --> 02:03:21,260
and you know she walked me in and sat

3054
02:03:27,250 --> 02:03:23,270
there but that was a time where I wasn't

3055
02:03:30,790 --> 02:03:27,260
myself I remember like being afraid to

3056
02:03:34,390 --> 02:03:30,800
walk in my own classroom because of the

3057
02:03:36,550 --> 02:03:34,400
images on the chalkboard and so I drew

3058
02:03:37,750 --> 02:03:36,560
mine eventually and stuck it up there

3059
02:03:39,580 --> 02:03:37,760
and of course it was much different I

3060
02:03:47,320 --> 02:03:39,590
had the craft in the willow tree in the

3061
02:03:50,560 --> 02:03:47,330
water but yeah that we you have a

3062
02:03:53,350 --> 02:03:50,570
listener who has a couple questions and

3063
02:03:56,320 --> 02:03:53,360
they've been very patient with me

3064
02:03:58,420 --> 02:03:56,330
they want to remain anonymous but they

3065
02:04:05,050 --> 02:03:58,430
wanted to ask you two totally different

3066
02:04:07,060 --> 02:04:05,060
questions and one is did you ever have

3067
02:04:10,060 --> 02:04:07,070
regressive hypnosis and the other

3068
02:04:13,300 --> 02:04:10,070
question is they understand that you may

3069
02:04:16,810 --> 02:04:13,310
have grown up with religion did how did

3070
02:04:18,180 --> 02:04:16,820
you reconcile your situation that

3071
02:04:21,250 --> 02:04:18,190
occurred to you

3072
02:04:25,090 --> 02:04:21,260
with the religion that you grew up with

3073
02:04:26,650 --> 02:04:25,100
so those two different questions if you

3074
02:04:32,260 --> 02:04:26,660
want me to repeat them I'll be happy to

3075
02:04:34,600 --> 02:04:32,270
read I got I got it sure easy okay so by

3076
02:04:35,800 --> 02:04:34,610
the way uh Nenana mysterion's and I'm

3077
02:04:39,280 --> 02:04:35,810
glad you asked them

3078
02:04:42,580 --> 02:04:39,290
my mother has her master's in ministry

3079
02:04:44,980 --> 02:04:42,590
my mother is very religious in a lot of

3080
02:04:46,930 --> 02:04:44,990
ways she's not a you know your typical

3081
02:04:49,150 --> 02:04:46,940
bible thumper or anything but she does

3082
02:04:51,490 --> 02:04:49,160
you know believe she's gonna see her

3083
02:04:53,380 --> 02:04:51,500
husband when she passes and and although

3084
02:05:00,700 --> 02:04:53,390
she has her master's in ministry she

3085
02:05:03,250 --> 02:05:00,710
doesn't she questions a lot of you know

3086
02:05:06,400 --> 02:05:03,260
you know of what used to be a very

3087
02:05:09,040 --> 02:05:06,410
strong belief for her I was an altar boy

3088
02:05:11,260 --> 02:05:09,050
I used to cover carry the cross back in

3089
02:05:12,820 --> 02:05:11,270
Sheffield Massachusetts in the church

3090
02:05:18,000 --> 02:05:12,830
where my mother and father actually got

3091
02:05:22,180 --> 02:05:18,010
married and I think when this happened I

3092
02:05:24,010 --> 02:05:22,190
I refused to go to church I found it for

3093
02:05:26,590 --> 02:05:24,020
some reason and I don't know why I I

3094
02:05:30,340 --> 02:05:26,600
knew and I will say new even though

3095
02:05:31,020 --> 02:05:30,350
that's a strong word that a lot of that

3096
02:05:39,930 --> 02:05:31,030
you know

3097
02:05:42,779 --> 02:05:39,940
but I'm just saying what we were being

3098
02:05:45,839 --> 02:05:42,789
told at a young age I was like I felt

3099
02:05:47,609 --> 02:05:45,849
like I knew so much more you know then I

3100
02:05:49,350 --> 02:05:47,619
questioned everything I mean nine people

3101
02:05:51,629 --> 02:05:49,360
in her family are Rh negative

3102
02:05:54,660 --> 02:05:51,639
you know I'm o-negative blood line you

3103
02:05:55,919 --> 02:05:54,670
know if we help respond from Adam and

3104
02:05:57,799 --> 02:05:55,929
Eve would all have the same blood type

3105
02:06:00,000 --> 02:05:57,809
so I mean it's there's obviously

3106
02:06:01,589 --> 02:06:00,010
something going on here that it's not

3107
02:06:05,580 --> 02:06:01,599
being picked up by the church but anyway

3108
02:06:08,459 --> 02:06:05,590
so I know what I saw in a lot of ways I

3109
02:06:09,870 --> 02:06:08,469
know I used to sit on top of the stable

3110
02:06:11,430 --> 02:06:09,880
that we had on board ministry where the

3111
02:06:14,040 --> 02:06:11,440
horses Lauren I just used to look out

3112
02:06:15,779 --> 02:06:14,050
over the over you know the town in the

3113
02:06:17,790 --> 02:06:15,789
mountains and look at the sky and and

3114
02:06:20,160 --> 02:06:17,800
say to myself you know I don't belong

3115
02:06:21,750 --> 02:06:20,170
here there's there's more my I wasn't

3116
02:06:24,029 --> 02:06:21,760
meant to be here there's so much more

3117
02:06:25,680 --> 02:06:24,039
out there and it certainly didn't tie

3118
02:06:28,319 --> 02:06:25,690
into religion and I was just like you

3119
02:06:32,910 --> 02:06:28,329
know we are from I believe that you know

3120
02:06:34,350 --> 02:06:32,920
I found a I felt an inner knowledge I've

3121
02:06:35,910 --> 02:06:34,360
always had that I didn't want to I

3122
02:06:37,620 --> 02:06:35,920
wasn't into throwing the frisbee around

3123
02:06:39,419 --> 02:06:37,630
I wasn't into the girls you know with

3124
02:06:43,410 --> 02:06:39,429
the hula hoops or going out to kick the

3125
02:06:47,100 --> 02:06:43,420
ball I was like always now thinking

3126
02:06:48,299 --> 02:06:47,110
forward thinking and and it changed my

3127
02:06:50,879 --> 02:06:48,309
life you know

3128
02:06:52,589 --> 02:06:50,889
and so I wouldn't go back to church I

3129
02:06:54,569 --> 02:06:52,599
think I've been at church two or three

3130
02:06:56,310 --> 02:06:54,579
times since the 70s you know and I go

3131
02:06:58,490 --> 02:06:56,320
once in a while with my mother on

3132
02:07:03,709 --> 02:06:58,500
Christmas or something like that but

3133
02:07:06,479 --> 02:07:03,719
it's it completely changed my views I

3134
02:07:09,209 --> 02:07:06,489
believe actually just to take this a

3135
02:07:12,899 --> 02:07:09,219
step further that because of the the way

3136
02:07:17,689 --> 02:07:12,909
our planet has a accessors you know the

3137
02:07:21,180 --> 02:07:17,699
way it rotates it got heart you can make

3138
02:07:24,500 --> 02:07:21,190
all kinds of life can thrive here

3139
02:07:29,310 --> 02:07:24,510
because of the amount of the or the

3140
02:07:31,290 --> 02:07:29,320
array of of weather you know polar bears

3141
02:07:33,149 --> 02:07:31,300
or you know and sub-area or

3142
02:07:35,520 --> 02:07:33,159
what-have-you and drafts are here where

3143
02:07:37,439 --> 02:07:35,530
they need to be and everything seems to

3144
02:07:39,509 --> 02:07:37,449
have thrived in the area that it needs

3145
02:07:41,310 --> 02:07:39,519
and of course we are here we have

3146
02:07:42,779 --> 02:07:41,320
different blood types and which never

3147
02:07:44,830 --> 02:07:42,789
last without you know you've heard this

3148
02:07:50,380 --> 02:07:44,840
before but at the same time to me

3149
02:07:52,570 --> 02:07:50,390
earth is is just a in an arc itself and

3150
02:07:54,610 --> 02:07:52,580
I've thought that since that was young

3151
02:07:56,230 --> 02:07:54,620
after this so you asked me earlier if

3152
02:07:56,620 --> 02:07:56,240
there was like a telepathic type of

3153
02:08:07,840 --> 02:07:56,630
thing

3154
02:08:10,360 --> 02:08:07,850
relayed to me or or I just know after

3155
02:08:15,220 --> 02:08:10,370
the incident that I felt so much more

3156
02:08:19,510 --> 02:08:15,230
awake and I saw things differently my

3157
02:08:22,240 --> 02:08:19,520
mind was more open and I said we're not

3158
02:08:24,880 --> 02:08:22,250
from here I'm talking when I was 10 were

3159
02:08:27,760 --> 02:08:24,890
meant to be here you know everything's

3160
02:08:30,130 --> 02:08:27,770
come in pairs and it almost like the art

3161
02:08:31,540 --> 02:08:30,140
because I related it to my time in

3162
02:08:33,790 --> 02:08:31,550
church where I you know people say oh

3163
02:08:35,410 --> 02:08:33,800
yeah you know you know you know the

3164
02:08:36,700 --> 02:08:35,420
chicken of the egg what came first and

3165
02:08:38,530 --> 02:08:36,710
there's all this these questions and I'm

3166
02:08:40,630 --> 02:08:38,540
going now know if there was you know to

3167
02:08:41,950 --> 02:08:40,640
you know a male and a female of this

3168
02:08:43,210 --> 02:08:41,960
species then they would have all been

3169
02:08:44,650 --> 02:08:43,220
inbred they would have had there been

3170
02:08:46,780 --> 02:08:44,660
groups and there would have had to been

3171
02:08:48,340 --> 02:08:46,790
you know where they could survive and

3172
02:08:50,320 --> 02:08:48,350
not be you know eaten by another

3173
02:08:52,600 --> 02:08:50,330
predator so they had to be safe over

3174
02:08:54,880 --> 02:08:52,610
here and and the Lions needed to be over

3175
02:08:57,130 --> 02:08:54,890
here and the giraffes needed to be where

3176
02:08:59,560 --> 02:08:57,140
they could you know be safe and thrive

3177
02:09:01,300 --> 02:08:59,570
and grow and then eventually you know

3178
02:09:03,550 --> 02:09:01,310
this planet would all come together and

3179
02:09:05,740 --> 02:09:03,560
and so to me that's what I believe I

3180
02:09:07,510 --> 02:09:05,750
believe I believe we're Martians for

3181
02:09:10,380 --> 02:09:07,520
lack of a better word we were born here

3182
02:09:16,240 --> 02:09:10,390
we weren't from here and this all hit me

3183
02:09:18,610 --> 02:09:16,250
at 10 and so to answer your you know the

3184
02:09:21,100 --> 02:09:18,620
religion question what's gonna finally

3185
02:09:24,100 --> 02:09:21,110
circle back to that no I

3186
02:09:26,740 --> 02:09:24,110
it totally stripped me from any of that

3187
02:09:29,550 --> 02:09:26,750
and if other people want to believe that

3188
02:09:32,650 --> 02:09:29,560
or I'm good with it I don't judge people

3189
02:09:34,180 --> 02:09:32,660
now there was a two part right there was

3190
02:09:36,100 --> 02:09:34,190
the what was the other question now cuz

3191
02:09:38,290 --> 02:09:36,110
I did forget that one what was the other

3192
02:09:39,490 --> 02:09:38,300
one he wanted to know and thank you for

3193
02:09:41,980 --> 02:09:39,500
answering that question really

3194
02:09:44,950 --> 02:09:41,990
appreciate it wanted to know if you have

3195
02:09:46,750 --> 02:09:44,960
had regressive hypnosis and I'm sure

3196
02:09:49,000 --> 02:09:46,760
you've been asked this question a lot of

3197
02:09:51,250 --> 02:09:49,010
times but our listeners would love to

3198
02:09:53,680 --> 02:09:51,260
know Tom's if you had regressive

3199
02:09:55,450 --> 02:09:53,690
hypnosis in any way shape or form not

3200
02:09:57,190 --> 02:09:55,460
just one time if you have but have you

3201
02:09:58,270 --> 02:09:57,200
had it multiple times if you could just

3202
02:10:02,680 --> 02:09:58,280
go into that a little bit

3203
02:10:07,000 --> 02:10:02,690
if you don't mind now quite honestly to

3204
02:10:09,820 --> 02:10:07,010
really answer your question no however a

3205
02:10:11,500 --> 02:10:09,830
couple years ago long after I was

3206
02:10:15,550 --> 02:10:11,510
talking about this long after this was

3207
02:10:17,620 --> 02:10:15,560
already inducted you know von Smith came

3208
02:10:21,010 --> 02:10:17,630
over my house we hung out and with the

3209
02:10:23,530 --> 02:10:21,020
dinner and she was over here but Laurie

3210
02:10:26,170 --> 02:10:23,540
Wagner and this was when she had the

3211
02:10:28,090 --> 02:10:26,180
camera because she actually had filmed

3212
02:10:32,320 --> 02:10:28,100
my brother's doctor who went on record

3213
02:10:34,180 --> 02:10:32,330
saying yes there is definitely and I can

3214
02:10:36,460 --> 02:10:34,190
actually send you that little piece

3215
02:10:38,590 --> 02:10:36,470
where he went on camera and said yep you

3216
02:10:41,950 --> 02:10:38,600
know your brother had definitely had

3217
02:10:44,980 --> 02:10:41,960
something happen and so after she went

3218
02:10:47,440 --> 02:10:44,990
to Indiana to interview him we came back

3219
02:10:48,730 --> 02:10:47,450
here and my son is a bartender at a

3220
02:10:49,720 --> 02:10:48,740
country club so I'm like let's go and

3221
02:10:51,670 --> 02:10:49,730
get some drinks let's go have some

3222
02:10:54,460 --> 02:10:51,680
dinner and so we did and when we came

3223
02:10:57,940 --> 02:10:54,470
back you've honest like I would love to

3224
02:11:00,490 --> 02:10:57,950
put you under and and and see if we

3225
02:11:03,580 --> 02:11:00,500
can't bring out a little bit more and so

3226
02:11:07,020 --> 02:11:03,590
I said sure you know and for about two

3227
02:11:10,390 --> 02:11:07,030
hours or three hours not that long ago

3228
02:11:13,630 --> 02:11:10,400
yeah I gave it a shot and I would say

3229
02:11:15,520 --> 02:11:13,640
that the only thing that I remember from

3230
02:11:18,460 --> 02:11:15,530
that or what's cuz I'd watch the

3231
02:11:20,740 --> 02:11:18,470
recording back was that I remember being

3232
02:11:22,450 --> 02:11:20,750
in paint I remember something running

3233
02:11:26,770 --> 02:11:22,460
through my arms and shoulders and back

3234
02:11:30,700 --> 02:11:26,780
like boiling water and it was painful

3235
02:11:35,110 --> 02:11:30,710
and that's the only time I that's the

3236
02:11:36,550 --> 02:11:35,120
only thing I really remember feeling and

3237
02:11:38,710 --> 02:11:36,560
actually came out of it she actually

3238
02:11:41,020 --> 02:11:38,720
woke me up because I was kind of in a

3239
02:11:42,910 --> 02:11:41,030
rough shape with that and as far as

3240
02:11:47,260 --> 02:11:42,920
anything else that happened in the past

3241
02:11:50,620 --> 02:11:47,270
we we were pretty aware you know at that

3242
02:11:52,990 --> 02:11:50,630
time and it wasn't as if we you know

3243
02:11:56,800 --> 02:11:53,000
that what we saw or what we witnessed or

3244
02:11:59,940 --> 02:11:56,810
became part of back in the day was

3245
02:12:03,490 --> 02:11:59,950
brought any more clear to us except you

3246
02:12:08,860 --> 02:12:03,500
know that the pain I went through and

3247
02:12:10,870 --> 02:12:08,870
there was pain and and so yeah I I did

3248
02:12:12,160 --> 02:12:10,880
try it I don't think it really did a

3249
02:12:14,530 --> 02:12:12,170
whole lot it did bring me

3250
02:12:17,200 --> 02:12:14,540
little closer to a couple a couple

3251
02:12:19,810 --> 02:12:17,210
things I mean there was a that shower

3252
02:12:21,160 --> 02:12:19,820
curtain thing where it looked like there

3253
02:12:27,730 --> 02:12:21,170
I was looking through something very

3254
02:12:30,790 --> 02:12:27,740
foggy or you know like stained or or

3255
02:12:33,370 --> 02:12:30,800
dirty glass and I remember these figures

3256
02:12:35,890 --> 02:12:33,380
walking around out there and and you

3257
02:12:37,630 --> 02:12:35,900
know I was laying down on something and

3258
02:12:39,250 --> 02:12:37,640
I was actually you know my feet were up

3259
02:12:41,860 --> 02:12:39,260
but I was like sitting in like this

3260
02:12:45,340 --> 02:12:41,870
weird chair my arms were out and I

3261
02:12:48,820 --> 02:12:45,350
remember that pretty clearly but I don't

3262
02:12:50,890 --> 02:12:48,830
like mixing the hypnotic part of it or

3263
02:12:53,250 --> 02:12:50,900
the hypnosis with what was clear

3264
02:12:55,840 --> 02:12:53,260
conscious memory because I really don't

3265
02:12:58,540 --> 02:12:55,850
know you know I mean I'm not a hundred

3266
02:13:01,210 --> 02:12:58,550
percent sure what that meant or what I

3267
02:13:03,550 --> 02:13:01,220
really saw or what I fell you know did

3268
02:13:06,600 --> 02:13:03,560
it really happen because everything else

3269
02:13:13,120 --> 02:13:06,610
was clear conscious memory however I

3270
02:13:15,100 --> 02:13:13,130
believe it did and so yeah okay good now

3271
02:13:18,490 --> 02:13:15,110
I you're gonna laugh at what I'm gonna

3272
02:13:21,130 --> 02:13:18,500
say here okay so I have to ask Kevin

3273
02:13:27,730 --> 02:13:21,140
questions okay Kevin might have dropped

3274
02:13:29,800 --> 02:13:27,740
off any okay okay so then okay okay so

3275
02:13:32,980 --> 02:13:29,810
let me please people on the call and I

3276
02:13:35,230 --> 02:13:32,990
hear chit and tom talking okay sorry

3277
02:13:38,590 --> 02:13:35,240
about that Kevin let me just let you

3278
02:13:41,080 --> 02:13:38,600
know what I'm gonna do I'm gonna ask Tom

3279
02:13:43,030 --> 02:13:41,090
a few more questions if he can answer

3280
02:13:45,850 --> 02:13:43,040
just yes or no and then I want to move

3281
02:13:47,680 --> 02:13:45,860
on to Kevin because he had an experience

3282
02:13:50,200 --> 02:13:47,690
too and I want to ask him about that

3283
02:13:53,380 --> 02:13:50,210
so Tom I'll just go ahead and ask you my

3284
02:13:55,330 --> 02:13:53,390
other questions that I was wanting to

3285
02:13:58,050 --> 02:13:55,340
get more info on but if you could just

3286
02:14:02,440 --> 02:13:58,060
say yes or no that would be fine for now

3287
02:14:06,820 --> 02:14:02,450
so did you Tom you believe et's could be

3288
02:14:08,530 --> 02:14:06,830
us from the future no no okay was that a

3289
02:14:11,350 --> 02:14:08,540
no cuz you kind of broke up a little bit

3290
02:14:16,030 --> 02:14:11,360
that was no that was a no got it and

3291
02:14:18,160 --> 02:14:16,040
then do you believe ETS in general no

3292
02:14:21,760 --> 02:14:18,170
matter what species there are nefarious

3293
02:14:23,830 --> 02:14:21,770
or not are they evil or good I think

3294
02:14:25,240 --> 02:14:23,840
there's a wide variety I think just like

3295
02:14:27,220 --> 02:14:25,250
we have

3296
02:14:29,740 --> 02:14:27,230
variety of personalities here and

3297
02:14:33,520 --> 02:14:29,750
agendas here I think that some are smart

3298
02:14:35,200 --> 02:14:33,530
good how about the individuals you

3299
02:14:37,120 --> 02:14:35,210
interacted with where would you place

3300
02:14:43,960 --> 02:14:37,130
them on the scale with that 10 being

3301
02:14:45,220 --> 02:14:43,970
good I would say you know they were good

3302
02:14:48,100 --> 02:14:45,230
I mean a hundred percent I mean there

3303
02:14:49,600 --> 02:14:48,110
was no no harm done and I think that

3304
02:14:52,330 --> 02:14:49,610
they were looking for something they

3305
02:14:54,190 --> 02:14:52,340
were you know at the time we were at the

3306
02:14:56,410 --> 02:14:54,200
wrong place at the wrong time and we

3307
02:14:57,790 --> 02:14:56,420
came into some type of a field and

3308
02:14:59,530 --> 02:14:57,800
something affected us and I think

3309
02:15:01,300 --> 02:14:59,540
government was there and it was the

3310
02:15:03,690 --> 02:15:01,310
whole thing was a is a multi-faceted

3311
02:15:07,360 --> 02:15:03,700
type of thing but at the end of the day

3312
02:15:10,660 --> 02:15:07,370
my son is sharp as a tack I'm pretty

3313
02:15:12,220 --> 02:15:10,670
healthy but you know yeah and I feel

3314
02:15:14,470 --> 02:15:12,230
privileged to have been part of it so

3315
02:15:16,360 --> 02:15:14,480
yeah I I think was okay okay

3316
02:15:18,160 --> 02:15:16,370
I mean it was just just another form of

3317
02:15:19,210 --> 02:15:18,170
life that's all and I heard what you

3318
02:15:21,250 --> 02:15:19,220
said about your son

3319
02:15:23,770 --> 02:15:21,260
I understand inherently you know what

3320
02:15:26,950 --> 02:15:23,780
you said about how he may have been

3321
02:15:29,080 --> 02:15:26,960
affected but do you yes or no do you

3322
02:15:30,910 --> 02:15:29,090
feel still do you feel they may be

3323
02:15:33,070 --> 02:15:30,920
communicating with you meaning de

3324
02:15:35,860 --> 02:15:33,080
meaning the these ETS who came in

3325
02:15:37,900 --> 02:15:35,870
contact with do you feel to this day

3326
02:15:42,070 --> 02:15:37,910
they may still be communicating with you

3327
02:15:46,000 --> 02:15:42,080
I don't know about communicating but I

3328
02:15:52,270 --> 02:15:46,010
think they're still around us okay and

3329
02:15:56,020 --> 02:15:52,280
then well you wanted a yes or no because

3330
02:15:57,820 --> 02:15:56,030
of the paranormal activity that we still

3331
02:16:01,120 --> 02:15:57,830
have in our lives it's coming from

3332
02:16:03,730 --> 02:16:01,130
somewhere okay and then a do you feel

3333
02:16:05,170 --> 02:16:03,740
that they abducted you I know I already

3334
02:16:06,820 --> 02:16:05,180
heard what you said believe me I didn't

3335
02:16:08,140 --> 02:16:06,830
miss it but do you feel they may have

3336
02:16:10,390 --> 02:16:08,150
abducted you because you were

3337
02:16:12,670 --> 02:16:10,400
pre-selected you know cuz look these

3338
02:16:14,770 --> 02:16:12,680
guys can go up in the air and they can

3339
02:16:17,350 --> 02:16:14,780
see who's coming alright it's not real

3340
02:16:18,550 --> 02:16:17,360
difficult for them to surveil the area

3341
02:16:21,220 --> 02:16:18,560
especially since you said there were

3342
02:16:22,930 --> 02:16:21,230
multiple crafts involved one may still

3343
02:16:25,960 --> 02:16:22,940
have been up in the sky making sure you

3344
02:16:27,970 --> 02:16:25,970
were you know not maybe you but there

3345
02:16:30,310 --> 02:16:27,980
was a car coming a certain direction and

3346
02:16:33,879 --> 02:16:30,320
then alerting the other creatures on the

3347
02:16:35,620 --> 02:16:33,889
ground of that maybe they might have had

3348
02:16:38,020 --> 02:16:35,630
better technology than that I don't know

3349
02:16:39,100 --> 02:16:38,030
but the point is as I wanted to know is

3350
02:16:41,200 --> 02:16:39,110
do you do feel

3351
02:16:43,900 --> 02:16:41,210
that they abducted you because of who

3352
02:16:46,000 --> 02:16:43,910
you were or because you were just in the

3353
02:16:47,950 --> 02:16:46,010
car coming a certain direction I get

3354
02:16:49,720 --> 02:16:47,960
that question a lot and most people say

3355
02:16:52,300 --> 02:16:49,730
it's because our family our entire

3356
02:16:54,130 --> 02:16:52,310
family is basically o-negative

3357
02:16:55,990 --> 02:16:54,140
now my brother's a negative we all have

3358
02:16:57,970 --> 02:16:56,000
the arch negative factor and back in the

3359
02:17:01,270 --> 02:16:57,980
60s the o-negative blood type was the

3360
02:17:03,910 --> 02:17:01,280
only blood type you know watched and

3361
02:17:05,860 --> 02:17:03,920
recorded in hospitals by the US

3362
02:17:08,831 --> 02:17:05,870
government because it was a universal

3363
02:17:11,291 --> 02:17:08,841
donor for Nam so that mean that that the

3364
02:17:12,730 --> 02:17:11,301
US government also knew that we were

3365
02:17:14,440 --> 02:17:12,740
owned egative so if there was some

3366
02:17:16,331 --> 02:17:14,450
activity in the area and they needed

3367
02:17:19,780 --> 02:17:16,341
that type of a blood group which I think

3368
02:17:21,670 --> 02:17:19,790
we all know that ties back to you know

3369
02:17:23,291 --> 02:17:21,680
there's no source of where that came

3370
02:17:23,800 --> 02:17:23,301
from and there's a lot of speculation

3371
02:17:26,680 --> 02:17:23,810
about it

3372
02:17:28,240 --> 02:17:26,690
so if our family had owned egative blood

3373
02:17:31,300 --> 02:17:28,250
and there was nine of us and our family

3374
02:17:33,090 --> 02:17:31,310
and four of us were in one car yeah I'd

3375
02:17:36,340 --> 02:17:33,100
say it was possible certainly what the

3376
02:17:38,950 --> 02:17:36,350
you know the event my mother had in 1954

3377
02:17:41,230 --> 02:17:38,960
and we had seen the crafts and been and

3378
02:17:44,041 --> 02:17:41,240
you know had front-row seats in 66 and

3379
02:17:47,230 --> 02:17:44,051
67 so it wasn't the only time we've had

3380
02:17:50,500 --> 02:17:47,240
you know an event and for a family to

3381
02:17:52,480 --> 02:17:50,510
have four and I'll be Rh negative would

3382
02:17:55,720 --> 02:17:52,490
nine in the family

3383
02:17:57,340 --> 02:17:55,730
yes certainly doesn't appear random and

3384
02:18:00,010 --> 02:17:57,350
I want to jump in here with a real quick

3385
02:18:01,570 --> 02:18:00,020
question Tom you haven't you said that

3386
02:18:04,510 --> 02:18:01,580
you were in the wrong place at the wrong

3387
02:18:07,110 --> 02:18:04,520
time and you know it's a Labor Day

3388
02:18:10,750 --> 02:18:07,120
weekend and you could have gone anywhere

3389
02:18:12,370 --> 02:18:10,760
what was the reasoning to all hop in the

3390
02:18:14,740 --> 02:18:12,380
car and drive down to the park in the

3391
02:18:18,220 --> 02:18:14,750
first place and do you think that maybe

3392
02:18:21,430 --> 02:18:18,230
you were somehow drawn to it

3393
02:18:24,520 --> 02:18:21,440
prior to well it wasn't a park back then

3394
02:18:25,720 --> 02:18:24,530
okay I made it a park so okay make that

3395
02:18:26,980 --> 02:18:25,730
you know I think that needs to be

3396
02:18:29,530 --> 02:18:26,990
cleared up too because a lot of people

3397
02:18:32,740 --> 02:18:29,540
believe that as well no it was just a

3398
02:18:34,240 --> 02:18:32,750
shortcut home you know what is something

3399
02:18:36,220 --> 02:18:34,250
else that's interesting about that night

3400
02:18:37,541 --> 02:18:36,230
- we might we stopped before we wanted a

3401
02:18:39,070 --> 02:18:37,551
diner to a place called The Meadows

3402
02:18:41,260 --> 02:18:39,080
which is also still there emerged seven

3403
02:18:43,000 --> 02:18:41,270
and one of the things we noticed was

3404
02:18:45,280 --> 02:18:43,010
that there was not another car at the

3405
02:18:47,710 --> 02:18:45,290
meadows there was no other cars on the

3406
02:18:49,570 --> 02:18:47,720
road it was very weird my mother

3407
02:18:50,860 --> 02:18:49,580
remembers like this is really weird is

3408
02:18:52,930 --> 02:18:50,870
no color cars on the road and it was a

3409
02:18:55,090 --> 02:18:52,940
holiday it was eight o'clock at night

3410
02:18:57,190 --> 02:18:55,100
it was at the time it was just getting

3411
02:18:58,780 --> 02:18:57,200
dark and there was not another car in

3412
02:19:00,070 --> 02:18:58,790
the road and when we got to the diner

3413
02:19:02,169 --> 02:19:00,080
and left and to decide to take a

3414
02:19:03,940 --> 02:19:02,179
shortcut back going over the bridge

3415
02:19:06,370 --> 02:19:03,950
probably saved us I don't know five

3416
02:19:09,820 --> 02:19:06,380
minutes or so so she just decided to

3417
02:19:12,070 --> 02:19:09,830
take a shortcut over the bridge and and

3418
02:19:14,200 --> 02:19:12,080
that's why I say we ran right into it

3419
02:19:16,930 --> 02:19:14,210
you mean we it was swam was right there

3420
02:19:21,820 --> 02:19:16,940
three of them right there on the water

3421
02:19:23,919 --> 02:19:21,830
and so it was over very rural land which

3422
02:19:25,690 --> 02:19:23,929
normally no one would have been there it

3423
02:19:28,360 --> 02:19:25,700
just happened to be that old rickety

3424
02:19:31,030 --> 02:19:28,370
bridge and my mother liked going over it

3425
02:19:33,550 --> 02:19:31,040
and that's why I say it was probably the

3426
02:19:35,110 --> 02:19:33,560
you know we just kind of ran to it you

3427
02:19:37,900 --> 02:19:35,120
know it was like random it was an

3428
02:19:39,310 --> 02:19:37,910
accident but then again I'm not a

3429
02:19:42,730 --> 02:19:39,320
hundred percent sure of that you know

3430
02:19:44,919 --> 02:19:42,740
because yeah who knows yeah okay Tom I'm

3431
02:19:46,750 --> 02:19:44,929
glad you're talking about random and

3432
02:19:50,131 --> 02:19:46,760
stuff like that because that I wanted to

3433
02:19:54,551 --> 02:19:50,141
ask you a really important question and

3434
02:19:56,920 --> 02:19:54,561
okay so I I hope it doesn't I hope it

3435
02:19:59,381 --> 02:19:56,930
makes sense so I'm I'm kind of hoping

3436
02:20:01,330 --> 02:19:59,391
you can work with me here and that is I

3437
02:20:03,430 --> 02:20:01,340
understand your blood type and by the

3438
02:20:05,591 --> 02:20:03,440
way that's an often asked question of

3439
02:20:08,170 --> 02:20:05,601
abductees experiencers and contactees

3440
02:20:11,830 --> 02:20:08,180
regarding their blood type it's a very

3441
02:20:13,841 --> 02:20:11,840
very important question what I wanted to

3442
02:20:15,990 --> 02:20:13,851
ask you since you feel that that may

3443
02:20:20,830 --> 02:20:16,000
that may have been a key factor

3444
02:20:23,830 --> 02:20:20,840
regarding your having in selection yeah

3445
02:20:26,650 --> 02:20:23,840
interest sure okay I wanted to know how

3446
02:20:28,780 --> 02:20:26,660
would the ETS have known you all were

3447
02:20:31,690 --> 02:20:28,790
driving down the road then and let me

3448
02:20:34,841 --> 02:20:31,700
finish so where I'm going with this is

3449
02:20:37,360 --> 02:20:34,851
is it possible that you were cold or

3450
02:20:40,511 --> 02:20:37,370
coaxed subconsciously or by whatever

3451
02:20:43,720 --> 02:20:40,521
means to end up going to where you were

3452
02:20:48,850 --> 02:20:43,730
at where the creatures were at to be

3453
02:20:51,220 --> 02:20:48,860
studied by them ahead of time you know

3454
02:20:52,390 --> 02:20:51,230
because it's just odd you're driving

3455
02:20:54,940 --> 02:20:52,400
down the road you happen to have that

3456
02:20:56,290 --> 02:20:54,950
blood type oh there's air you know but

3457
02:20:59,020 --> 02:20:56,300
then you're saying that your blood type

3458
02:21:01,060 --> 02:20:59,030
is significant how does that how how you

3459
02:21:02,890 --> 02:21:01,070
reconcile all that and then I have

3460
02:21:06,490 --> 02:21:02,900
another question for you and that is

3461
02:21:09,190 --> 02:21:06,500
where the ants the bosses to the small

3462
02:21:11,020 --> 02:21:09,200
bald eyed hybrids did they appear to be

3463
02:21:13,090 --> 02:21:11,030
boss like to them if there is a

3464
02:21:15,730 --> 02:21:13,100
hierarchy who was above the other

3465
02:21:16,570 --> 02:21:15,740
it was the humanoid if you will that was

3466
02:21:18,280 --> 02:21:16,580
running the show

3467
02:21:20,280 --> 02:21:18,290
they were just seemed to be workers they

3468
02:21:22,180 --> 02:21:20,290
just seemed to be staring into a wall

3469
02:21:26,290 --> 02:21:22,190
you know there wasn't a hope there

3470
02:21:27,550 --> 02:21:26,300
wasn't a lot of movement so I would say

3471
02:21:32,080 --> 02:21:27,560
that yeah they were they were just

3472
02:21:35,080 --> 02:21:32,090
workers as far as you know why we took

3473
02:21:36,580 --> 02:21:35,090
the bridge my mother would say was

3474
02:21:37,960 --> 02:21:36,590
because we were running late and had to

3475
02:21:40,330 --> 02:21:37,970
go to you know to get the bed early and

3476
02:21:42,370 --> 02:21:40,340
she wanted to save time but at the same

3477
02:21:44,110 --> 02:21:42,380
time you can only go 15 miles an hour

3478
02:21:46,630 --> 02:21:44,120
down that road will feet upwards Devon

3479
02:21:50,560 --> 02:21:46,640
we could have gone 50 or 60 so I am not

3480
02:21:52,060 --> 02:21:50,570
quite sure about that as far as the Oneg

3481
02:21:54,970 --> 02:21:52,070
you know blood group I think there's

3482
02:21:59,440 --> 02:21:54,980
more interest in why we were of interest

3483
02:22:02,230 --> 02:21:59,450
to you know the event we became so part

3484
02:22:04,480 --> 02:22:02,240
of I think that the o-negative blood

3485
02:22:07,110 --> 02:22:04,490
like I said was our would be tracked by

3486
02:22:09,640 --> 02:22:07,120
the by our government so when I was born

3487
02:22:10,750 --> 02:22:09,650
everybody in government that was

3488
02:22:12,880 --> 02:22:10,760
interested in

3489
02:22:16,150 --> 02:22:12,890
anam and all this kind of stuff or had

3490
02:22:17,620 --> 02:22:16,160
any you know it was just a common thing

3491
02:22:19,750 --> 02:22:17,630
you can google it o negative blood

3492
02:22:22,690 --> 02:22:19,760
everybody born in the 60s the hello

3493
02:22:25,300 --> 02:22:22,700
negative blood their their records were

3494
02:22:28,030 --> 02:22:25,310
sent to the US government and that goes

3495
02:22:30,850 --> 02:22:28,040
back to command aerospace korsky you

3496
02:22:32,620 --> 02:22:30,860
know the mining in town so there was a

3497
02:22:36,700 --> 02:22:32,630
lot of government in town so if there

3498
02:22:38,200 --> 02:22:36,710
was a multi facet function going on here

3499
02:22:41,020 --> 02:22:38,210
that played you know they had a lot of

3500
02:22:44,190 --> 02:22:41,030
players in it then that means this this

3501
02:22:46,150 --> 02:22:44,200
offworld or alien entity would have if

3502
02:22:47,380 --> 02:22:46,160
working with the government and they

3503
02:22:50,350 --> 02:22:47,390
certainly were that night

3504
02:22:52,690 --> 02:22:50,360
they would have known these people had

3505
02:22:54,400 --> 02:22:52,700
o-negative blood because the US

3506
02:22:56,860 --> 02:22:54,410
government probably had a way of sharing

3507
02:22:59,950 --> 02:22:56,870
it with them so as wild as that sounds

3508
02:23:02,590 --> 02:22:59,960
if you've got government in the area and

3509
02:23:05,020 --> 02:23:02,600
a lot of it and your blood type so

3510
02:23:08,680 --> 02:23:05,030
negative and they record it and there's

3511
02:23:10,150 --> 02:23:08,690
some type of partnership going on then

3512
02:23:12,580 --> 02:23:10,160
of course they would have shared it and

3513
02:23:14,350 --> 02:23:12,590
there's four of us in a car we're out in

3514
02:23:18,250 --> 02:23:14,360
the middle of nowhere so maybe there was

3515
02:23:20,560 --> 02:23:18,260
a a you know

3516
02:23:22,870 --> 02:23:20,570
you know more going on here as far as

3517
02:23:25,929 --> 02:23:22,880
why we took that road home it's

3518
02:23:27,790 --> 02:23:25,939
speculation but there you know it

3519
02:23:30,969 --> 02:23:27,800
certainly does seem to make a little

3520
02:23:33,670 --> 02:23:30,979
sense but of course I can't support it

3521
02:23:36,429 --> 02:23:33,680
you know factually or anything but you

3522
02:23:38,380 --> 02:23:36,439
you drive a good point I mean we have

3523
02:23:41,620 --> 02:23:38,390
rare blood types we were on a railroad

3524
02:23:43,150 --> 02:23:41,630
we did take it a lot but that night it

3525
02:23:44,620 --> 02:23:43,160
wasn't necessary I think we could have

3526
02:23:46,890 --> 02:23:44,630
just taken the highway back cuz again

3527
02:23:52,120 --> 02:23:46,900
she said there's nobody on the road so

3528
02:23:54,969 --> 02:23:52,130
yeah then Frank I have a question for

3529
02:23:57,790 --> 02:23:54,979
you we did a special on my labs you know

3530
02:24:00,670 --> 02:23:57,800
military abductions were had to do with

3531
02:24:03,130 --> 02:24:00,680
abductees and the military involved the

3532
02:24:05,980 --> 02:24:03,140
u.s. government involved in that Frank D

3533
02:24:07,890 --> 02:24:05,990
does this sound a little bit familiar to

3534
02:24:10,960 --> 02:24:07,900
you in that regard regarding Thomas

3535
02:24:11,830 --> 02:24:10,970
Thomas's situation oh yeah a little bit

3536
02:24:14,020 --> 02:24:11,840
Robert okay

3537
02:24:15,790 --> 02:24:14,030
okay by the way if anybody wants to look

3538
02:24:19,150 --> 02:24:15,800
that up look up melinda leslie in my

3539
02:24:22,120 --> 02:24:19,160
labs that's mi la BS that's an acronym

3540
02:24:25,030 --> 02:24:22,130
Kevin I had a question for you actually

3541
02:24:27,850 --> 02:24:25,040
Frank do you mind asking him a questions

3542
02:24:29,200 --> 02:24:27,860
regarding what occurred to him well yeah

3543
02:24:30,070 --> 02:24:29,210
I tell us about your sighting there

3544
02:24:34,770 --> 02:24:30,080
Kevin

3545
02:24:40,090 --> 02:24:34,780
oh you mean back in 1969 yes sir

3546
02:24:42,550 --> 02:24:40,100
well clear I own the property which is

3547
02:24:45,730 --> 02:24:42,560
then called the Hanlon estate a ranch

3548
02:24:50,200 --> 02:24:45,740
and I own that now it's 190 acres and

3549
02:24:53,320 --> 02:24:50,210
next door is the Jimmy and George's uh

3550
02:24:57,550 --> 02:24:53,330
my neighbors who there George passed

3551
02:24:59,490 --> 02:24:57,560
away a couple years ago but the property

3552
02:25:03,040 --> 02:24:59,500
where I am one hundred ninety acres

3553
02:25:05,350 --> 02:25:03,050
encloses the area where Jimmy and I saw

3554
02:25:08,110 --> 02:25:05,360
that on that evening of September 1st

3555
02:25:12,280 --> 02:25:08,120
1969 them and that's what I said old for

3556
02:25:16,090 --> 02:25:12,290
years I had not talked about or even

3557
02:25:18,490 --> 02:25:16,100
remembered it until I had seen the Tom

3558
02:25:19,810 --> 02:25:18,500
Reed Monument you know over the first

3559
02:25:22,300 --> 02:25:19,820
one back at the covered bridge in

3560
02:25:24,280 --> 02:25:22,310
Sheffield and when I realized they knew

3561
02:25:26,020 --> 02:25:24,290
the name that's again when I started

3562
02:25:29,710 --> 02:25:26,030
researching it and so when I think about

3563
02:25:31,540 --> 02:25:29,720
that incident I only think of what most

3564
02:25:33,700 --> 02:25:31,550
people see when they can't explain

3565
02:25:36,639 --> 02:25:33,710
something they see it they know it's

3566
02:25:38,740 --> 02:25:36,649
there and they know what to make of it

3567
02:25:44,320 --> 02:25:38,750
and your instincts your inner instincts

3568
02:25:46,360 --> 02:25:44,330
are at that ages to run we ran down as I

3569
02:25:48,700 --> 02:25:46,370
said and went to George and Jimmy's

3570
02:25:50,920 --> 02:25:48,710
house and that's when we learned and

3571
02:25:52,650 --> 02:25:50,930
they came out to look up and they looked

3572
02:25:55,660 --> 02:25:52,660
up over there on the top of the plateau

3573
02:25:57,660 --> 02:25:55,670
we're nearer the cattles was it was just

3574
02:26:01,840 --> 02:25:57,670
kind of over there I can't really

3575
02:26:03,460 --> 02:26:01,850
explain how close to us because I was

3576
02:26:07,450 --> 02:26:03,470
pretty far away running but I remember a

3577
02:26:10,510 --> 02:26:07,460
kind of a light and I felt at least to

3578
02:26:13,120 --> 02:26:10,520
Jamie and I both felt that whereas we're

3579
02:26:15,550 --> 02:26:13,130
running down the this little path that

3580
02:26:19,090 --> 02:26:15,560
goes across the Hollenbeck River we were

3581
02:26:20,679 --> 02:26:19,100
scared out of her wits basically and we

3582
02:26:22,660 --> 02:26:20,689
thought and I quote this is what we

3583
02:26:24,849 --> 02:26:22,670
thought we thought it was following once

3584
02:26:27,070 --> 02:26:24,859
but I guess that could be that you're

3585
02:26:30,040 --> 02:26:27,080
going down the hill it looks like things

3586
02:26:33,490 --> 02:26:30,050
are coming your way but it was there and

3587
02:26:37,090 --> 02:26:33,500
when we got Jim's dad out and mother

3588
02:26:38,710 --> 02:26:37,100
they looked at it and they saw the same

3589
02:26:40,420 --> 02:26:38,720
thing we did him they called their

3590
02:26:42,940 --> 02:26:40,430
neighbors and the neighbors one saw it

3591
02:26:45,910 --> 02:26:42,950
so whatever it was it was happening at

3592
02:26:48,760 --> 02:26:45,920
the same time as it Tom and his family

3593
02:26:51,099 --> 02:26:48,770
was doing or something in that time it

3594
02:26:54,490 --> 02:26:51,109
wasn't quite dark it was getting dark I

3595
02:26:56,469 --> 02:26:54,500
would have to say it was probably I

3596
02:27:00,010 --> 02:26:56,479
don't know Tom would you say was about

3597
02:27:04,780 --> 02:27:00,020
like 7:45 or 7:30 somewhere in that time

3598
02:27:07,599 --> 02:27:04,790
just before we were in into it and it

3599
02:27:10,540 --> 02:27:07,609
would look like it was heading Northwest

3600
02:27:13,420 --> 02:27:10,550
whatever it was and I mean all I know is

3601
02:27:16,840 --> 02:27:13,430
that George called my grandparents and

3602
02:27:19,900 --> 02:27:16,850
my grandparents at what and other people

3603
02:27:21,790 --> 02:27:19,910
called in to the local authorities over

3604
02:27:23,920 --> 02:27:21,800
here they were getting constant phone

3605
02:27:25,719 --> 02:27:23,930
calls for something people are seeing

3606
02:27:28,719 --> 02:27:25,729
what they had seen in our area within a

3607
02:27:30,880 --> 02:27:28,729
12 mile radius they called the WSB sr8

3608
02:27:33,700 --> 02:27:30,890
which of course in great barrington was

3609
02:27:36,070 --> 02:27:33,710
getting phenomenal phone calls about the

3610
02:27:39,790 --> 02:27:36,080
same thing on people were panicky and

3611
02:27:41,830 --> 02:27:39,800
then you look at you know the government

3612
02:27:43,541 --> 02:27:41,840
thing that I think believe I remember

3613
02:27:47,350 --> 02:27:43,551
George made a call

3614
02:27:48,701 --> 02:27:47,360
to the air bait which is now a private

3615
02:27:51,341 --> 02:27:48,711
Airport now over in Great Barrington

3616
02:27:54,281 --> 02:27:51,351
used to be reserved for us and he called

3617
02:27:57,310 --> 02:27:54,291
then and as I said earlier they did not

3618
02:28:00,071 --> 02:27:57,320
have any aircraft or any helicopter

3619
02:28:02,621 --> 02:28:00,081
flying that day however the radar

3620
02:28:05,140 --> 02:28:02,631
technician saw something very very

3621
02:28:06,640 --> 02:28:05,150
peculiar and he called it in and they

3622
02:28:09,581 --> 02:28:06,650
made document it they made that they had

3623
02:28:11,261 --> 02:28:09,591
like up kind of a what they call like a

3624
02:28:12,701 --> 02:28:11,271
logging and they were logging in all

3625
02:28:15,041 --> 02:28:12,711
these people and people are calling it

3626
02:28:17,501 --> 02:28:15,051
and it just went on and on on for a

3627
02:28:20,171 --> 02:28:17,511
substantial amount of time that evening

3628
02:28:22,841 --> 02:28:20,181
and people were just panicky and I guess

3629
02:28:24,281 --> 02:28:22,851
I can see why they were when you don't

3630
02:28:26,171 --> 02:28:24,291
know what you're saying you're not sure

3631
02:28:27,821 --> 02:28:26,181
what you're saying and then you want to

3632
02:28:35,051 --> 02:28:27,831
forget something like that you know

3633
02:28:36,911 --> 02:28:35,061
especially our age yeah no yeah so we're

3634
02:28:38,921 --> 02:28:36,921
listening to we if you want to elaborate

3635
02:28:41,951 --> 02:28:38,931
some more please do we're just intently

3636
02:28:50,051 --> 02:28:41,961
listening to you okay well I'm trying

3637
02:28:52,151 --> 02:28:50,061
like I said I um we just I stab wound up

3638
02:28:55,331 --> 02:28:52,161
there to go look at my property again I

3639
02:28:58,151 --> 02:28:55,341
think I saw it in the early fall we

3640
02:28:59,981 --> 02:28:58,161
might I went up there and you can go up

3641
02:29:02,140 --> 02:28:59,991
to the top of the plateau and you can

3642
02:29:03,390 --> 02:29:02,150
see exactly what it looks like it did in

3643
02:29:05,501 --> 02:29:03,400
1969

3644
02:29:09,761 --> 02:29:05,511
there's no cattle there anymore I

3645
02:29:11,411 --> 02:29:09,771
believe that the gorge took the cattle

3646
02:29:13,301 --> 02:29:11,421
and had them moved buried up there I'm

3647
02:29:16,541 --> 02:29:13,311
not sure I never want to back up there

3648
02:29:18,611 --> 02:29:16,551
coconut as a kid they found the second

3649
02:29:21,341 --> 02:29:18,621
one on the right hand side than the left

3650
02:29:24,521 --> 02:29:21,351
one that we used to walk but if you go

3651
02:29:26,801 --> 02:29:24,531
up there it's a pretty barren area and

3652
02:29:30,041 --> 02:29:26,811
you have to be careful up there because

3653
02:29:32,261 --> 02:29:30,051
there are bears and there are coyotes up

3654
02:29:34,901 --> 02:29:32,271
there and they go into school especially

3655
02:29:36,671 --> 02:29:34,911
the coyotes and if you go up there if

3656
02:29:38,281 --> 02:29:36,681
they find your week they'll go after you

3657
02:29:40,361 --> 02:29:38,291
see you should have to bring like a

3658
02:29:42,220 --> 02:29:40,371
Winchester a rifle or something up there

3659
02:29:44,021 --> 02:29:42,230
and protect yourself but I went up there

3660
02:29:45,371 --> 02:29:44,031
recently and took some pictures of it

3661
02:29:48,390 --> 02:29:45,381
and hasn't changed at all

3662
02:29:50,771 --> 02:29:48,400
there's no barn burn marks anymore but

3663
02:29:53,921 --> 02:29:50,781
from what people had thought they saw I

3664
02:29:57,100 --> 02:29:53,931
heard from George but it does look like

3665
02:29:58,991 --> 02:29:57,110
the Aerie was flattened

3666
02:30:01,600 --> 02:29:59,001
there's areas on the top of plateau that

3667
02:30:03,191 --> 02:30:01,610
still look kind of barren like something

3668
02:30:05,711 --> 02:30:03,201
might have landed there you know it was

3669
02:30:07,001 --> 02:30:05,721
it just it would amazed me so I'm going

3670
02:30:08,890 --> 02:30:07,011
to go up there again

3671
02:30:13,991 --> 02:30:08,900
pretty soon and check it out again and

3672
02:30:17,321 --> 02:30:14,001
see what there is up there did I mention

3673
02:30:20,350 --> 02:30:17,331
about you know you you spoken to the

3674
02:30:22,390 --> 02:30:20,360
Historical Society's too and and I

3675
02:30:25,151 --> 02:30:22,400
thought maybe it might be a you know

3676
02:30:30,581 --> 02:30:25,161
interesting to to share how you know you

3677
02:30:34,871 --> 02:30:30,591
are more apt to to look at these events

3678
02:30:38,501 --> 02:30:34,881
in the area as a whole rather than how

3679
02:30:40,771 --> 02:30:38,511
so many other historians rather just

3680
02:30:43,031 --> 02:30:40,781
focus on this one single day and I think

3681
02:30:45,581 --> 02:30:43,041
you know that's where you're very

3682
02:30:46,841 --> 02:30:45,591
different because you saw a lot of

3683
02:30:51,251 --> 02:30:46,851
people saw it you know that other

3684
02:30:53,171 --> 02:30:51,261
historian saw it but the the difference

3685
02:30:56,680 --> 02:30:53,181
in your approach to this thing was kind

3686
02:30:58,001 --> 02:30:56,690
of like and if I may say you know if and

3687
02:30:59,560 --> 02:30:58,011
this is where it doesn't make sense and

3688
02:31:03,100 --> 02:30:59,570
I think heaven made a great point that

3689
02:31:06,131 --> 02:31:03,110
if Billy the Kid had just robbed one

3690
02:31:09,341 --> 02:31:06,141
train back in a day he would have just

3691
02:31:12,131 --> 02:31:09,351
been a little you know Punk heavily with

3692
02:31:14,761 --> 02:31:12,141
a gun right but because he did it over

3693
02:31:17,831 --> 02:31:14,771
and over and over for so many years

3694
02:31:19,390 --> 02:31:17,841
Billy the Kid became historically

3695
02:31:21,881 --> 02:31:19,400
significant in history because he

3696
02:31:25,381 --> 02:31:21,891
altered the railroad and Kevin said

3697
02:31:29,291 --> 02:31:25,391
Jimmy wants back in a day you know

3698
02:31:32,381 --> 02:31:29,301
focusing on one day is not the not the

3699
02:31:34,930 --> 02:31:32,391
full picture you know it's it's that

3700
02:31:38,111 --> 02:31:34,940
this happened over so many years and

3701
02:31:43,151 --> 02:31:38,121
it's still happening in Sheffield to

3702
02:31:45,521 --> 02:31:43,161
this this day people knew 3-4 weeks ago

3703
02:31:48,191 --> 02:31:45,531
up in Pittsfield people reported seeing

3704
02:31:50,381 --> 02:31:48,201
something again recently I read about

3705
02:31:52,691 --> 02:31:50,391
that I'm like you see there's something

3706
02:31:55,751 --> 02:31:52,701
about this area that is attracting

3707
02:31:59,381 --> 02:31:55,761
whatever it is it's not just September

3708
02:32:02,161 --> 02:31:59,391
first and there's something very very

3709
02:32:05,081 --> 02:32:02,171
prominent happening in that area and

3710
02:32:07,331 --> 02:32:05,091
even this woman Nina who's a pilot has

3711
02:32:11,110 --> 02:32:07,341
said that even the meters on Holmes back

3712
02:32:13,300 --> 02:32:11,120
in the day were not in you know

3713
02:32:16,210 --> 02:32:13,310
the electricity in the homes correctly

3714
02:32:19,480 --> 02:32:16,220
pine island farms actually puts out and

3715
02:32:20,950 --> 02:32:19,490
supplies power for many homes and that

3716
02:32:22,389 --> 02:32:20,960
properties through the manure and all

3717
02:32:24,700 --> 02:32:22,399
this kind of thing that has you know

3718
02:32:27,460 --> 02:32:24,710
farms produced so they have a grid on

3719
02:32:29,080 --> 02:32:27,470
their lawn all of a sudden boom thing

3720
02:32:33,040 --> 02:32:29,090
goes down there's these wicked power

3721
02:32:36,700 --> 02:32:33,050
surges and so you can feel that you you

3722
02:32:39,340 --> 02:32:36,710
you you walk down that dirt road if you

3723
02:32:41,500 --> 02:32:39,350
open up your mind and think about even

3724
02:32:43,630 --> 02:32:41,510
close your eyes you can feel something

3725
02:32:47,889 --> 02:32:43,640
very weird in an area there are crop

3726
02:32:51,040 --> 02:32:47,899
circles in 2012 crop circles in 2013 the

3727
02:32:51,460 --> 02:32:51,050
corn was bent over and burned it wasn't

3728
02:32:53,889 --> 02:32:51,470
like it

3729
02:32:55,120 --> 02:32:53,899
it was just crushed people I've got

3730
02:32:58,440 --> 02:32:55,130
pictures I think I showed you a picture

3731
02:33:01,750 --> 02:32:58,450
of an ALICE big or about the size of a

3732
02:33:04,660 --> 02:33:01,760
well how big would it be maybe you know

3733
02:33:07,900 --> 02:33:04,670
4 foot round hovering over the cornfield

3734
02:33:10,690 --> 02:33:07,910
that's that's 15 feet taller so that

3735
02:33:12,610 --> 02:33:10,700
Kevin sent you a picture of and people

3736
02:33:14,620 --> 02:33:12,620
that's an actual shot there's like

3737
02:33:18,400 --> 02:33:14,630
several of those pictures being taken by

3738
02:33:21,460 --> 02:33:18,410
locals in the area and and so I'm glad

3739
02:33:25,270 --> 02:33:21,470
that up tom by the way because it's

3740
02:33:27,610 --> 02:33:25,280
really fascinating and key information

3741
02:33:29,710 --> 02:33:27,620
you're sharing there I also wanted to

3742
02:33:33,130 --> 02:33:29,720
tell everybody who's listening that

3743
02:33:36,730 --> 02:33:33,140
there is a wonderful website that Tom

3744
02:33:43,179 --> 02:33:36,740
Reid created called Parowan calm its

3745
02:33:46,330 --> 02:33:43,189
peas and poly a are a WWN calm and this

3746
02:33:48,940 --> 02:33:46,340
website is dedicated to the 50th

3747
02:33:51,969 --> 02:33:48,950
anniversary that is going to happen of

3748
02:33:54,969 --> 02:33:51,979
the Tom Reid offworld UFO event on

3749
02:33:57,520 --> 02:33:54,979
October 5th of this year so that you can

3750
02:34:00,730 --> 02:33:57,530
hear more things like what we heard

3751
02:34:03,790 --> 02:34:00,740
tonight and also what Kevin and Tom are

3752
02:34:11,070 --> 02:34:03,800
just discussing right now also please go

3753
02:34:14,320 --> 02:34:11,080
to Tom Reid dotnet that's th om r ee d

3754
02:34:18,520 --> 02:34:14,330
dotnet you will find a plethora of

3755
02:34:21,160 --> 02:34:18,530
material there regarding the amazing Tom

3756
02:34:24,330 --> 02:34:21,170
Reid UFO incident making US history in

3757
02:34:27,960 --> 02:34:24,340
actually world history I

3758
02:34:31,980 --> 02:34:27,970
wanted to thank Frank my co-host Tom

3759
02:34:36,570 --> 02:34:31,990
Reid and also the venerable and

3760
02:34:39,060 --> 02:34:36,580
Honorable Judge Kevin Titus for having

3761
02:34:43,260 --> 02:34:39,070
joined us tonight for this fantastic

3762
02:34:47,969 --> 02:34:43,270
discussion regarding the Tom Reid UFO

3763
02:34:49,920 --> 02:34:47,979
incident on September 1st 1969 thanks

3764
02:34:52,800 --> 02:34:49,930
thanks for being so generous with your

3765
02:34:55,170 --> 02:34:52,810
time I really appreciate it can I add

3766
02:34:57,179 --> 02:34:55,180
what can I add one one tiblet here one

3767
02:35:00,179 --> 02:34:57,189
last thing okay

3768
02:35:01,820 --> 02:35:00,189
regarding that October 5th 50th

3769
02:35:03,990 --> 02:35:01,830
anniversary being held by Pine Bush

3770
02:35:07,020 --> 02:35:04,000
something that I don't think anyone

3771
02:35:09,780 --> 02:35:07,030
knows yet is that Pine Bush the city of

3772
02:35:11,670 --> 02:35:09,790
Pine Bush and I have reached out to a

3773
02:35:14,730 --> 02:35:11,680
lot of these witnesses and if we're not

3774
02:35:17,160 --> 02:35:14,740
mistaken WSB s is going to be there who

3775
02:35:18,540 --> 02:35:17,170
broadcast it Jan Green who pounded on

3776
02:35:21,090 --> 02:35:18,550
the door Linda Farrell who lived

3777
02:35:24,150 --> 02:35:21,100
upstairs over our diner the police

3778
02:35:26,010 --> 02:35:24,160
officers son Kevin Titus of course is

3779
02:35:28,290 --> 02:35:26,020
going to be there and several others

3780
02:35:31,290 --> 02:35:28,300
that have never ever gone on record

3781
02:35:33,630 --> 02:35:31,300
before or are actually going to be there

3782
02:35:35,700 --> 02:35:33,640
in introducing themselves and speaking

3783
02:35:38,310 --> 02:35:35,710
with the attendees so it'll be a

3784
02:35:40,349 --> 02:35:38,320
one-time thing and these people that

3785
02:35:43,349 --> 02:35:40,359
we've mentioned tonight are going to be

3786
02:35:45,389 --> 02:35:43,359
there great sounds fantastic and the

3787
02:35:47,010 --> 02:35:45,399
movie yeah one Canada is that in

3788
02:35:48,570 --> 02:35:47,020
production now is that in the planning

3789
02:35:51,389 --> 02:35:48,580
stages one can we look forward to that

3790
02:35:54,120 --> 02:35:51,399
well first inducted has already been

3791
02:35:58,020 --> 02:35:54,130
shot there's a sizzle reel for it there

3792
02:36:00,870 --> 02:35:58,030
is a big interest with Netflix and we

3793
02:36:02,790 --> 02:36:00,880
have a quite a different group of

3794
02:36:05,130 --> 02:36:02,800
producers we've got James Keitel who's

3795
02:36:08,070 --> 02:36:05,140
related to Harvey Keitel who was working

3796
02:36:10,440 --> 02:36:08,080
with me on it and of course were and

3797
02:36:12,810 --> 02:36:10,450
talking with Scottie Collins who

3798
02:36:16,290 --> 02:36:12,820
produces Leno's Garage and there's

3799
02:36:19,200 --> 02:36:16,300
another producer in Houston which kevin

3800
02:36:23,340 --> 02:36:19,210
has been dealing with so it's a matter

3801
02:36:24,810 --> 02:36:23,350
of to be honest with you who wants it

3802
02:36:26,790 --> 02:36:24,820
you know because we want to go to

3803
02:36:28,800 --> 02:36:26,800
Netflix because Netflix is gritty we can

3804
02:36:30,480 --> 02:36:28,810
tell it honestly we can if you want to

3805
02:36:32,219 --> 02:36:30,490
drop an f-bomb because you know you can

3806
02:36:35,450 --> 02:36:32,229
do that you can do that here too if you

3807
02:36:39,950 --> 02:36:35,460
like yeah we're on YouTube

3808
02:36:42,059 --> 02:36:39,960
Chinn these this film will be

3809
02:36:44,160 --> 02:36:42,069
substantially a lot of will be filmed in

3810
02:36:47,250 --> 02:36:44,170
the actual area on the actual site oh

3811
02:36:49,559 --> 02:36:47,260
yeah so what we're doing with this is we

3812
02:36:51,630 --> 02:36:49,569
are actually interviewing all the

3813
02:36:57,479 --> 02:36:51,640
witnesses have you ever seen the movie I

3814
02:37:02,790 --> 02:36:57,489
know here we go again with God Jesus it

3815
02:37:05,969 --> 02:37:02,800
was the guy a deer hunter awesome you

3816
02:37:08,489 --> 02:37:05,979
know now dead saw but movie doubt them

3817
02:37:12,630 --> 02:37:08,499
movie dead so Christopher Walken yes oh

3818
02:37:16,920 --> 02:37:12,640
yeah so this film is being done and shot

3819
02:37:18,599 --> 02:37:16,930
in that you know formula so what's gonna

3820
02:37:20,849 --> 02:37:18,609
happen is we are going to have the Jan

3821
02:37:24,090 --> 02:37:20,859
Green's the Kevin Titus all these actual

3822
02:37:26,729 --> 02:37:24,100
people who were there they are going to

3823
02:37:28,769 --> 02:37:26,739
be walking into a 1960s diner with a

3824
02:37:31,050 --> 02:37:28,779
jukebox having a coffee shake and

3825
02:37:33,989 --> 02:37:31,060
talking to Ben Hansen and Michael bar

3826
02:37:36,029 --> 02:37:33,999
and I had at the diner when they get

3827
02:37:38,700 --> 02:37:36,039
into their story suddenly the background

3828
02:37:42,479 --> 02:37:38,710
changes and everybody is transported

3829
02:37:44,760 --> 02:37:42,489
back into 1969 and watching this unveil

3830
02:37:47,130 --> 02:37:44,770
with the audience and then when that

3831
02:37:49,410 --> 02:37:47,140
when that reenactment is over

3832
02:37:51,630 --> 02:37:49,420
everybody's you know the background just

3833
02:37:53,130 --> 02:37:51,640
changes and everybody's just just

3834
02:37:55,529 --> 02:37:53,140
finishing their coffee or what-have-you

3835
02:37:57,929 --> 02:37:55,539
and then another witness comes in and

3836
02:37:59,790 --> 02:37:57,939
starts talking to Ben and Ben's walking

3837
02:38:01,260 --> 02:37:59,800
around with a person he was in modern

3838
02:38:04,109 --> 02:38:01,270
dress and all of a sudden bang we now

3839
02:38:07,410 --> 02:38:04,119
we're back in their reenactment so it's

3840
02:38:10,290 --> 02:38:07,420
gonna transition very wowie but the but

3841
02:38:12,750 --> 02:38:10,300
the delivery and the film as a whole is

3842
02:38:17,130 --> 02:38:12,760
going to be very grounded honest and

3843
02:38:19,859 --> 02:38:17,140
very raw so that's how it's being done

3844
02:38:22,500 --> 02:38:19,869
sounds awesome and you're just waiting

3845
02:38:24,179 --> 02:38:22,510
for a distributor basically we are

3846
02:38:27,500 --> 02:38:24,189
shooting the sizzle and getting backing

3847
02:38:29,880 --> 02:38:27,510
by different producers but because the

3848
02:38:30,989 --> 02:38:29,890
how raw they want to shoot it they know

3849
02:38:34,109 --> 02:38:30,999
that it's not going to be appropriate

3850
02:38:37,200 --> 02:38:34,119
for travel or conventional television so

3851
02:38:38,939 --> 02:38:37,210
because we are going to show it in the

3852
02:38:40,800 --> 02:38:38,949
you know the brutal beatings that we got

3853
02:38:43,410 --> 02:38:40,810
by the local police we're gonna the

3854
02:38:45,359 --> 02:38:43,420
fights and the diner are being the stunt

3855
02:38:47,761 --> 02:38:45,369
person who's handling the fights in the

3856
02:38:50,270 --> 02:38:47,771
diner is Mary Ann Singh who

3857
02:38:53,520 --> 02:38:50,280
was also the stunt coordinator a

3858
02:38:54,991 --> 02:38:53,530
choreographer for Jamie Lee Curtis and

3859
02:38:56,970 --> 02:38:55,001
some films but also was the woman who

3860
02:39:00,060 --> 02:38:56,980
got stabbed in the window in the last

3861
02:39:01,741 --> 02:39:00,070
Halloween film because oh so she is

3862
02:39:04,020 --> 02:39:01,751
actually choreographing the fight scenes

3863
02:39:07,530 --> 02:39:04,030
and of course alana trembley's in it it

3864
02:39:09,211 --> 02:39:07,540
was in the movie Gotti with you know

3865
02:39:10,440 --> 02:39:09,221
with John Travolta and she's in Puerto

3866
02:39:12,541 --> 02:39:10,450
Rico right now shooting with Bruce

3867
02:39:14,220 --> 02:39:12,551
Willis so she's actually going to be one

3868
02:39:15,961 --> 02:39:14,230
of the key people in the film - along

3869
02:39:18,961 --> 02:39:15,971
with Warren Chan weren't in Gillette the

3870
02:39:22,081 --> 02:39:18,971
original Jason and many others so we got

3871
02:39:26,251 --> 02:39:22,091
a very good lineup of people on board

3872
02:39:28,831 --> 02:39:26,261
and it's gonna be a very raw film it's

3873
02:39:30,390 --> 02:39:28,841
it's gonna be so this isn't going to be

3874
02:39:33,241 --> 02:39:30,400
a documentary that this is going to be a

3875
02:39:35,341 --> 02:39:33,251
movie about this it's a docudrama you're

3876
02:39:38,310 --> 02:39:35,351
gonna hear the testimony and then it's

3877
02:39:43,381 --> 02:39:38,320
gonna get into some serious it's gonna

3878
02:39:45,421 --> 02:39:43,391
be very you know very violent in a lot

3879
02:39:46,980 --> 02:39:45,431
of ways and it's gonna be very honestly

3880
02:39:48,211 --> 02:39:46,990
told the fights in school that my

3881
02:39:50,041 --> 02:39:48,221
brother and I got into the guy who

3882
02:39:51,690 --> 02:39:50,051
jumped up on the table and my mother's

3883
02:39:52,621 --> 02:39:51,700
diner and broke himself out and says you

3884
02:39:54,180 --> 02:39:52,631
want to see something out of this world

3885
02:39:56,520 --> 02:39:54,190
Nancy I'll show you something out of

3886
02:39:58,350 --> 02:39:56,530
this world and how that guy got thrown

3887
02:40:00,180 --> 02:39:58,360
out the front door of our diner I mean

3888
02:40:06,860 --> 02:40:00,190
you can't show violent stuff like that

3889
02:40:09,211 --> 02:40:06,870
you know at 8:00 a.m. the Disney

3890
02:40:14,400 --> 02:40:09,221
struggle to sign the documents that's

3891
02:40:16,501 --> 02:40:14,410
gotta look cool they're gonna have a

3892
02:40:19,320 --> 02:40:16,511
stunt double for you in this movie you

3893
02:40:21,121 --> 02:40:19,330
know I asked him about that as a Tom

3894
02:40:22,560 --> 02:40:21,131
should might be the judge and he thinks

3895
02:40:24,421 --> 02:40:22,570
it is there gonna be an actor I mean

3896
02:40:26,041 --> 02:40:24,431
you're gonna see me but there's gonna be

3897
02:40:28,711 --> 02:40:26,051
I think he said Tom's gonna be actors

3898
02:40:30,690 --> 02:40:28,721
gonna play me as a judge doing that yeah

3899
02:40:32,551 --> 02:40:30,700
because at the same time you know when

3900
02:40:34,801 --> 02:40:32,561
you were a kid at 10 years old you can't

3901
02:40:36,871 --> 02:40:34,811
play yourself so you know there are

3902
02:40:38,690 --> 02:40:36,881
pictures he's aging very well he might

3903
02:40:41,820 --> 02:40:38,700
be able to pull it off I never have

3904
02:40:44,190 --> 02:40:41,830
thrown a pair of bell-bottoms in a I die

3905
02:40:45,930 --> 02:40:44,200
sure and you know we'll throw them up on

3906
02:40:49,921 --> 02:40:45,940
the hill and hope he can pull it off no

3907
02:40:51,961 --> 02:40:49,931
so so he's gonna tell it and then that

3908
02:40:53,610 --> 02:40:51,971
you know he's gonna be talking about it

3909
02:40:55,770 --> 02:40:53,620
maybe on his on the field there and

3910
02:40:57,541 --> 02:40:55,780
showing where it happened and then all

3911
02:41:00,541 --> 02:40:57,551
of a sudden everything just changes and

3912
02:41:01,621 --> 02:41:00,551
goes back in time and and so I like the

3913
02:41:04,680 --> 02:41:01,631
idea of that

3914
02:41:06,291 --> 02:41:04,690
and Netflix was all over it so anyway

3915
02:41:09,151 --> 02:41:06,301
guys I know you want to go out oh yeah

3916
02:41:11,491 --> 02:41:09,161
yeah like I said you've been

3917
02:41:13,981 --> 02:41:11,501
exceptionally generous with your time we

3918
02:41:15,301 --> 02:41:13,991
covered a lot and really I think this is

3919
02:41:16,501 --> 02:41:15,311
a case where the visuals are really

3920
02:41:18,481 --> 02:41:16,511
going to help a lot so I know we're

3921
02:41:23,011 --> 02:41:18,491
really looking forward to the movie yeah

3922
02:41:24,991 --> 02:41:23,021
yeah interjected Tom thank you for

3923
02:41:27,211 --> 02:41:25,001
letting me interrogate you I did a lot

3924
02:41:29,611 --> 02:41:27,221
of people don't realize you know I know

3925
02:41:31,531 --> 02:41:29,621
I could it's funny people see two sides

3926
02:41:33,901 --> 02:41:31,541
of me they see you know I act very meek

3927
02:41:36,541 --> 02:41:33,911
and stuff but when I want to ask

3928
02:41:38,640 --> 02:41:36,551
questions I will fire them off I don't

3929
02:41:41,251 --> 02:41:38,650
care what's happening I will interrupt

3930
02:41:44,011 --> 02:41:41,261
people I'll get very aggressive and you

3931
02:41:46,951 --> 02:41:44,021
handled it so well and you're such a

3932
02:41:49,951 --> 02:41:46,961
gentleman I just really appreciate you

3933
02:41:52,951 --> 02:41:49,961
so much and I also want to thank the

3934
02:41:54,841 --> 02:41:52,961
Honorable Judge Kevin Titus everybody

3935
02:41:56,430 --> 02:41:54,851
admires you greatly for all of the

3936
02:41:58,531 --> 02:41:56,440
wonderful work you've done you've done

3937
02:42:02,851 --> 02:41:58,541
you've actually written two historical

3938
02:42:04,801 --> 02:42:02,861
books and you know you do a lot there's

3939
02:42:07,351 --> 02:42:04,811
wanted to know if maybe you would

3940
02:42:09,901 --> 02:42:07,361
consider a show just with you because

3941
02:42:13,831 --> 02:42:09,911
your life is absolutely astounding and

3942
02:42:16,351 --> 02:42:13,841
fascinating and if judge if you wouldn't

3943
02:42:18,501 --> 02:42:16,361
mind please telling everybody the name

3944
02:42:22,081 --> 02:42:18,511
of those two books that you wrote oh

3945
02:42:23,011 --> 02:42:22,091
sure my first book that came out two

3946
02:42:25,741 --> 02:42:23,021
years agos called

3947
02:42:27,421 --> 02:42:25,751
Bonnie and Clyde the legend lives on

3948
02:42:29,041 --> 02:42:27,431
about the famous outlaws there's a new

3949
02:42:30,961 --> 02:42:29,051
movie out with Kevin Costner called the

3950
02:42:33,211 --> 02:42:30,971
highwayman it tells it very very

3951
02:42:35,491 --> 02:42:33,221
accurately and I and my book is about

3952
02:42:37,261 --> 02:42:35,501
exact same thing people things they

3953
02:42:39,271 --> 02:42:37,271
didn't know but Bonnie and Clyde I used

3954
02:42:41,461 --> 02:42:39,281
to be the leading authority back in the

3955
02:42:44,611 --> 02:42:41,471
1890s I lived in Texas for a while in

3956
02:42:49,041 --> 02:42:44,621
that book and then in 2000 I was

3957
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actually in Washington DC 13 days after

3958
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9/11 and that was there to go so you

3959
02:42:54,930 --> 02:42:53,230
come in office or about a promotion and

3960
02:42:56,731 --> 02:42:54,940
at that very time they were building the

3961
02:42:59,191 --> 02:42:56,741
Pentagon repairing it from the 9/11

3962
02:43:00,871 --> 02:42:59,201
attacks and the siren went off again and

3963
02:43:02,970 --> 02:43:00,881
people thought we were being attacked

3964
02:43:05,791 --> 02:43:02,980
for the second time so what really

3965
02:43:08,311 --> 02:43:05,801
turned out to be was a start as an f2

3966
02:43:11,311 --> 02:43:08,321
tornado that came into the Washington

3967
02:43:13,140 --> 02:43:11,321
Sea and was going to an f4 but it turned

3968
02:43:14,401 --> 02:43:13,150
Northwest and went to La Plata Maryland

3969
02:43:15,241 --> 02:43:14,411
which wiped that town off the face of

3970
02:43:17,161 --> 02:43:15,251
Europe it's still

3971
02:43:21,451 --> 02:43:17,171
the same to this day and that's the

3972
02:43:24,270 --> 02:43:21,461
title book called tornado Washington DC

3973
02:43:27,480 --> 02:43:24,280
destroyed and also known as 59 minutes

3974
02:43:29,461 --> 02:43:27,490
of terror also wanted to let people know

3975
02:43:33,211 --> 02:43:29,471
but we'll tell them later because I'm

3976
02:43:37,261 --> 02:43:33,221
hoping Kevin will do a show with us but

3977
02:43:39,720 --> 02:43:37,271
that too many presidents to count have

3978
02:43:41,850 --> 02:43:39,730
actually written you letters can you

3979
02:43:45,390 --> 02:43:41,860
just tell them why briefly before we go

3980
02:43:48,211 --> 02:43:45,400
why they've done that sure the two

3981
02:43:50,821 --> 02:43:48,221
bushes for Jimmy Carter

3982
02:43:53,251 --> 02:43:50,831
Shanee Vice President Biden even wrote

3983
02:43:54,810 --> 02:43:53,261
me because they saw my article they saw

3984
02:43:56,881 --> 02:43:54,820
me in the news and they saw my news

3985
02:43:58,890 --> 02:43:56,891
articles and they thought that how I

3986
02:44:01,261 --> 02:43:58,900
portrayed the president I did with great

3987
02:44:03,720 --> 02:44:01,271
dignity and I don't put the politics

3988
02:44:06,151 --> 02:44:03,730
into it I just saw the historical aspect

3989
02:44:07,831 --> 02:44:06,161
and they were very gracious and wrote me

3990
02:44:10,261 --> 02:44:07,841
and asked me and if I'd like to come to

3991
02:44:12,451 --> 02:44:10,271
the White House and that's still on the

3992
02:44:14,310 --> 02:44:12,461
tables I may still do that I've got to

3993
02:44:17,131 --> 02:44:14,320
plan it with them but that's one of the

3994
02:44:19,111 --> 02:44:17,141
things they do and and I also deal with

3995
02:44:20,281 --> 02:44:19,121
people like the story of Ben and Arnold

3996
02:44:23,341 --> 02:44:20,291
which have a big show coming up this

3997
02:44:25,861 --> 02:44:23,351
one's completely sold out so with all

3998
02:44:28,111 --> 02:44:25,871
these movies and TV shows I'm kind of

3999
02:44:29,581 --> 02:44:28,121
overwhelmed but it's it's amazing that

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02:44:32,371 --> 02:44:29,591
people are that interested in what I

4001
02:44:35,071 --> 02:44:32,381
have to offer and what I'm telling well

4002
02:44:36,930 --> 02:44:35,081
we wanted to just let you know we are

4003
02:44:38,581 --> 02:44:36,940
just so thrilled you both were on with

4004
02:44:41,520 --> 02:44:38,591
us tonight it's been such a fantastic

4005
02:44:46,321 --> 02:44:41,530
show and really want to tell everybody

4006
02:44:49,701 --> 02:44:46,331
please go to that October 5th 2019 event

4007
02:44:53,341 --> 02:44:49,711
that Tom Reid is going to have

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02:44:56,071 --> 02:44:53,351
celebrating the 50th anniversary of this

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02:45:01,741 --> 02:44:56,081
event and if you want to know more about

4010
02:45:04,791 --> 02:45:01,751
it again go to Peres wyndcomm PA ra w ee

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n dot-com thank you gentlemen